Injectable is always better it doesn't have to survive the pass through the liver. You get more bioavailability from injectable also so you won't have to take more you can actually take less and get the same results.

I would stay away from oral tren if I were you.

Personally I like oral Winny better than injectable. I rarely use it because it jacks my cholesterol. When I do run it I only use 30 mgs a day. Liver values have been a little higher but it does a number on my cholesterol. Not worth it for me.

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i have read the question aggain and noticed that i completely missunderstood his question caused by my old and bad english. sorry

If it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it. Athletes used to use injectable water based Winstrol, but really good stuff like th old days is long gone. You always hear about athletes pissing dirty for Winstrol and I guarantee you it’s oral. It works. There’s no need to poke yourself with more shit if you don’t have to. It is designed to make it through your digestive system. Don’t take orals with dietary fat to lower the risk of losing some of your dose. There is absolutely no point of using injectable dbol. Very easy to gain 6-10lbs in 4 weeks with 30mg daily oral. Don’t use a c-17 oral longer than 4 weeks. Someone below said 8-10 weeks. That’s absurd. There comes a point of diminishing returns with orals. Let your liver heal up like you expect your muscles to heal up after a workout.

Injectables are far less toxic on your organs that’s for certain although some of the stronger compounds you’ve mentioned above there will pip for sure and crystallise, well in my experience they have done and that’s going back to the a lab a few years with injecteble dbol which was milky as Fuck and left a good lump for a few days haha

hi mate. you should always prefer injectables. the reason is easy... you have a great loss of benefit by passing stomach, liver e.t.c. the bioactice amount is shrinking. if you have a high bioactive compound... it will harm you more than injections because of the 17aa binding form. you cant take orals for longet periods.

but there are gears like dinabol or turinabol. some of best orals. personally i like turinabol for dry and clean massbuilding. 8-10 weeks for dia and t.anabol is the common period.
there is also highly efective anapolon. but you better dont use such toxic gears.

so the best orals to kick in a cycle is d.bol and t.bol.
turinabol is a better choise for beginner or for bridging cycles. the best option for beginner who cant inject is primobolan but it is expensive.

primobolan s from a german manufacturer was my very first cycle. i did 8 weeks at 100mg daily and gained very clean 8kg. i wouldnt reach this totay because i had stronger gear since then and i am at a different level nlw:)

there are also things like halos but this is not a win for bodybuilding. it is used more in fighting sports. it makes you really aggressive at low doses.

and never go with oral tren! this is the worst thing you can do. no benefit but heavy sideeffect!

if you have any question... feel free to ask me