posted Mon, 06/19/2017 - 02:08
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I hate test and deca water retention
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Does anyone out there feel the same I am pretty lean I react to testosterone and deca water retention something fierce I lose all definition but when I was younger I did use it and didn't mind now that I'm older my thinking is I don't really want to gain a ton of muscle mass but maybe 5 pounds a year I like using EQ and Winstrol V and Primo and anavar you know the DHT stuff no water retention and I have felt fine without a test base......does anyone out there feel the same way about testosterone, and deca I know people say use propionate but a lot of people say test is test it's just a shorter Ester you're still going to retain water when on it please help thank you for your wisdom
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you're a bit old in the tooth... and (seem) somewhat experienced.... not to know about managing hormones!
Cut back on the dose run 2:1 test at 400 deca at 200. It's all mental, as soon as I can off cycle I lost half the weight I put on and looked really good. With deca it permits you to train like you've never trained before, heavy squats, deads, even though it's a mask use it to its fullest. Watch your prolactin and do some cardio. What the hell did you expect lol
I used it 3 years ago and put on 24 pounds, eating clean !!!! Had cone tits and shit. Genetics have a lot to do with this but once I came off and started cutting, I lost 10 pounds and looked really good. Can't be afraid to put the weight on, if you are your foundation will never change.
You don't need to cycle if your goal is 5 pounds a year.
If you're that concerned with bloating, try a high primo low test cycle for 20 weeks. TRT dose with 800 mg of Primo. All gear has sides but this is by far the mildest. Only side to this is decreased funds in your account but another way too look at it is if you do this cycle correctly, you won't have to cycle again for quite some time. At Least you'll save on that part.
Good luck
Simon
powermanmike1967I do remember Lee Haney saying that he prefers EQ over test I think once you get the size you want the Cosmetics from DHT juices it's much nicer what do you guys think do any of you just use DHT juices
Got to watch your HDL/LDL, they can have a very negative effect. Moderate use is best when dealing with DHT compounds.
Dude I just looked at your profile, you're a big boy. You don't need Deca, stick with the mild stuff and low test doses. Your frame is already there just need to carve that beef. Look into primo
powermanmike1967Thank you very much
I love the bloat. My joints never feel better than test and deca. My winter cycle is always gonna be test and deca with an oral kicker. Summer time low test with something else that is gonna keep me dryer. EQ & winny or var
This is what I'm talking about
powermanmike1967Thank you very much
If you're looking to put on 5 pounds a year of muscle why even use gear? You realize you can do that naturally right?
powermanmike1967I guess I don't want to lose my over 500 lb bench and just feeling abnormally strong
powermanmike1967I'm retired pro football player it's just my thing I like making a little progress each year
Every try Tbol? You can add 5-10 with zero water
Tbol? ?
powermanmike1967Thank you yes I have I like it
During his Olympia reign I believe Lee Haney is on record saying he only gained 2-3 lbs of muscle a year. 5 pounds of pure muscle is a lot for an advanced trainee.
powermanmike1967yeah I also heard he did a ton of eq
If your bloating to much from test you might want to take a second look at your diet. Estrogen will also contribute to water retention. As for deca it should not be an issue if your taking a moderate amount. Guys take to much, more is not always better.
powermanmike1967Yeah I know my sodium is too high but damn if you eat low-fat and you want to diet soda once in awhile and some spice to put on your chicken my sodium goes up I only ever use 200 Deca or test I guess I'm just one of the guys that reacts with a lot of water always did but now that I'm older I don't like it
Wouldn't the test likely be the cause of bloating rather than the nandrolone?
There are lots of factors here. Sometimes it just depends on the users genetics. They both will cause some water retention.
powermanmike1967I remember trying each one when I was younger separately they both made me retain water I've heard it's very individual
RustyhookerWonder his doses and bloods?
powermanmike1967I get regular blood work the liver immigrant and cholesterol or excellent I only use about 200 Deca or 200 test 300 EQ 400 Primo 60mg anavar not all at once
RustyhookerNothing wrong with low dosing when you know your foods and gym.
500mg vitamin c am.....500mg pm. That'll drop water. Natural too.
Trenabolic is a mass monster. Pick his brain on foods etc. He's a cool dude
Rusty hit the nail on the head. Add vitC, it will drop some water weight, be careful the first couple days, will give you the shits.
Also, I prefer NPP to Deca. It seems to give me less bloat. Try and workout early in the day as well, and have your last meal early. Say you workout at 5am, try and not eat at night past 5pm. A low carb protein shake before bed is all w/bcaa's. This helps me avoid moon face and what not.
GL brother.
What kind of gains do you see from 300mg of EQ?
It blows my mind. Half these guys dont even get blood work. Its just a guessing game, crazy.
powermanmike1967Never said I didn't get blood work I get blood work every six months immigrant cholesterol liver all great donate blood like clockwork I got a family I'm pretty smart about moderate juices