posted Mon, 08/12/2013 - 13:50
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Feed Back on HCG and Aro
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Researching for First Cycle. I'm looking at 500mg of Test e weekly for 14 weeks. I think I finally understand the HCG. I'm probably gonna use Aromasin during cycle. And all research for PCT points strongly to both clomid and nolvadex both. At what time is best to start HCG and Aromasin. Can't find recommended amounts or ow often to use. THANKS FOR ALL THE POINTERS!!!!!
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AnonI think its wise to start your AI 3 or 4 weeks in to cycle especially since estro issues can sneak up on you, and even with experience estro can be hard to judge as a "seat of the pants" kind of thing.
As you know Im a big proponant of HCG, but as MWagner mentions I am blast and cruise. That being said right from the get go I felt some shrinkage in the testes which I did not want. I think it would be foolish not to have some on hand, occasionally it does get hard to find . Anyway if your balls start to shrink up or your libido crashes you will be kicking your self if you have not put HCG in your stash. I dont think youd get anyone telling you to run the HCG mid cycle without symptoms, but the theory of using it 4 weeks before PCT is sound thinking. You are not 25 years old, jump starting your body may be easy, it may be hard why not do all you can to minimize the chances of it being hard.
me and you had the same thoughts lol good stuff
i dont believe HCG is needed with a first cycle. i dont really advocate hcg use. ive been working on a good article about hcg. my feeling for hcg is for LONG cycles and trt or the blast and cruiser guys. if you are hard pressed to run it on a 12 week cycle start it 10 days befor last pin and run it up to you start pct, for a kick start. do not run it on cycle. i know there is conflicting info on this. but it seems to be only really effective for a pct kicker at the least, and there are some pct meds that are actually more effective at raising lh and fsh than hcg also, like toremifene. some people do really well on their first run keep the aro on hand and if anything comes up than run it. you may not need it, and running it with out need ,may kill your estrogen values and you wont make gains.
I never use HCG waste of money IMO I did it once but if I did use it again I would never use the 10 days before protocol the one time i did use it I ran it to the middle of my cycle and had to stop taking it but I did start it again close to the end of my cycle an it did nothing for kick starting pct but it did keep my nuts full while using it at the start and i also believe Toremifene Citrate is one of the best PCT's out there but another thing i don't agree with you on is telling him not to run the AI being his first cycle he's not experienced enough to know weather he does or doesn't need it an It's always better to be safe then sorry
Here's my thoughts run the Test e. for 12 weeks not 14 there will be no added benefits
weeks 1-12 test e @ 500mgs a week broken up into 2 injections so 250mgs say on Monday an 250mgs on Friday
weeks 1-12 HCG @ 500iu a week again broken up into 2 injections
weeks 4-12 Aromasin @ 6mgs ED << adjust as needed
PCT weeks 15-18 Clomid 100/100/50/50 nova 25/25/25/25