posted Thu, 11/09/2017 - 16:22
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+ 1 Best bulking gear other than 19-nors?
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Just looking for opinions on other bulking gear other than 19-nors....yes yes I know all about diet and how it effects your bulk or cut so spare me the lecture Nancy lol
I've ran eq in the past with decent results....
Of course you have orals for short term gains but I tend to stay away from those these days
I don't handle 19-nors so they are not an option at this point though a low dose of NPP has been very tempting lol
Just looking for other bulking ideas
Currently just running Test-C @ 600 per week
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Read this thread. Especially the tuna shake. Viking is the king of all things bulk and cut. It's not the compounds it's diet and training first. Miss that guy and the knowledge bombs he dropped here and there if you payed attn.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/viking-tribute
Appreciate the reference Fuse......will give it read tonight at work!
Test with anadrol or dbol is awesome bulker.
If you are in a caloric surplus you will bulk. Caloric deficit you will cut. Any steroid you add will magnify those results.
That is true to a point however drugs that increase estrogen generally bulk better than the ones that don't.Some would argue that it's just the water but that argument wouldn't account for the extra strength.So It doesn't really hold up.
I personally find that test is enough for me along with a great diet. It comes down to sides/health vs results for me.
+1. you shocked me a little with your answer. , much respect to you. , wise decision.
Very wise decision and thanks for your input!
DHB seems to be the closest thing to tren and deca from what i’ve seen. Alot more labs seem to be making it now so hopefully see some more feedback as 19nors really screw with my head
DHB definitely has my curiosity. I have been reading as much info as I can find. It's actually been around for a long time but because of the horrible pip has never gained a big following...
Have seen a lab that does it at 200mg/ml which would make it easy to dose 600mg per week, apparently the pip isnt so bad when you mix it with other compounds so im going to mix 1.5ml with 1ml test and 1ml mast. Do that twice a week for 600mg test, 600mg mast and 600mg dhb. Should be great for leaning up
Sounds like a solid setup but again i have no personal history with DHB. You'll have to start a cycle log so we can see your progress!
I like test and primo or test and mast to bulk I generally clean bulk .bulk or cutt is all about diet and gym routine not so much the gear
Haven't tried Primo.....damn stuff is so expensive but the quality from what I've read is outstanding. Thanks for the input
Test
basskiller89Test alone got me big
I never needed other compounds
Just moderate doses with high calories
Any gear can be used to bulk but when thinking of winter bulk season and using "wet compounds" I always liked Test E, Dbol, and Mast. Test e and dbol is a great simple cycle and will def bulk anyone up but also add a lot of water. I'm running a lean bulk now of test p tren a and var I'm 6 weeks in and loving it. Eating big but clean as well as training hard is the main factors in bulking secondly is the gear
Appreciate your input D! I haven't touched dbol in several years....never did like the bloat I got on it. My diet was probably a bigger culprit than the compound itself though to be honest. I have been very interested in tbol however and if I was going to introduce an oral (which I usually don't) tbol would be the one I'd like to try.
192lbs on average the last few days.... eating this much with carbs has not been easy...plus I try to get in a gallon of water which leaves less room in the trash compactor and leaving me feeling bloated. I've moved most of carbs towards the end of the day which does help some and I changed to a full body routine when I was doing push/pull/legs. Just thought I'd update....still thinking of adding in some tbol but haven't yet
RustyhookerSo youre up roughly 7lbs? Thats great!
Is it hard for you to eat many smaller meals? Avoid the puff feeling?
I was 189lbs when I started this thread (you can see the post a page or two back) so only up 3lbs BUT I'm happy the scale is moving. Thanksgiving helped ;) and yes I do feel bloated alot and really have to schedule out my meals based on my work and gym schedule. I'm not hitting the 4k mark everyday though....some days Im just not that hungry and force feeding is harder than it looks. Especially when trying to keep it clean. I have been enjoying about 10-15% junk food like ice cream and Oreos to get the calories in....Hey.... I'm human ok so kiss my butt lol
My solution to getting multiple, clean meals in during the work week is to puree 3 cups of raw oats, putting each cup in a sandwich bag and adding a scoop of blended protein (fast, medium and slow digesting) then bringing the 3 baggies to work with me in my protein shaker. I have always had access to a refrigerator at work so I keep a gallon of whole milk when bulking and I just shake up a mix of protein and pureed raw oats throughout the day for meal replacement. If you can't use milk for added calories when bulking a bagging of almonds or can of peanut butter make excellent "on the go" subs. I like this approach more than relying on strictly meal replacement shakes as the raw oats tends to have a lower GI than most powders or pre-made shakes. I have also put raw, pureed brown rice in bags with blended protein powder powder. It taste like shit and is extremely grainy but gets the job done nonetheless.
Very resourceful dude! I will definitely add this to my daily routine.....the one thing I've noticed with adding back in the oats mixed with my protein is that it gives me horrendous gas.....the protein itself is fine, been using the same brand for a long time but when I add in the oats it blows me out big time lol
Haha yeah, it does the same to me. It is a ton of fiber. Glad the idea could help though, I struggled a lot with mid day meals when I started working a 9-5 desk job
RustyhookerBoom!! ^^^
Pastas and protein!Not very filling and packed with calories.Im not saying live on it but will help you hit that 4000 calorie mark daily.Will also give you a sustained insulin effect that load muscles all day.Pasta and beef,shrimp,chicken and veggies if you want but that will make it more filling.
Dang man..... haven't thought of pasta! I've sworn off carbs for so long I forget about some of the better options lol but I will definitely incorporate some from now on till I hit my goal. Do you recommend a specific type or brand or does it not matter much?
I have also been doing alot of research on carb cycling along with some other methods that were recommended below....
So I have opened my mind and decided to add some carbs back in my daily diet in the form of steel cut oats in the morning and brown rice....feel bloated already lol but will except the challenge. O I did have a smores poptart the other day as well
have considered throwing in some tbol @ 40mgs per day as a kick.... I've wanted to try it for a few years now. Not sure yet. I'm also thinking of changing up my routine in the gym but I'm sure what to just yet.....
Eat big, train heavy
Test is all thats necessary if not competing, heaps of ways to manipulate test only. .
Sust with test e as base with prop EOD etc no need for tren or DECA.
Even test with dbol or anadrol for 4- 6 weeks at the start.
Train. Eat. Rest test is enough all honesty unless serious or competing.
usually i run 750 test-e or c and 400 deca (competition). that is the
combine for my stats and experience. when i dose more, i do not earn more benefit but more sides.
but i got kollegues (pro bb) who take 1gr testo and 600mg deca. we are always in discussion because in my opinion you do not need that high dosages.
you just need to raise up your callories mate. good eating is the myth people looking for.
it starts in your head;) i mean, with your mouth!
Thanks for the input njs
Why someone neg this? Obviously a language barrier. He's just trying to fit in. We were all new at one point.
thank you for your thoughtfulness.
i am having a hard time caused of this language barrier. but i keep leraning mate. it will get better.
regards
All good mate.
It was me by accident... it was all lit up when I read it just now ...... I just gave him a plus
I think you've probably answered it for yourself already - Start the EQ again which will enable you to eat more ,I know it does for me and just eat.
Honestly ... eat more
Rustyhookernancy.... your current stats?
Age: 37
Height: 5'10
Weight: 185
BF: 10
Easy Rusty lol not all of us want to look like Lee Priest lol and I'm up to 189 mind you...see below
RustyhookerTrue true. Drop the keto bro. Bulk up towards 205 and in spring run a cutter meal prep and cycle carbs.
Bulking does not mean you gotta be a marshmellow. Magnifying glass up top. Read makwas, medex and catalysts food forums. Its always foods bro.
+2 for taking a poke and not getting shitty. Welcome to eroids
Thanks for the references! I will definitely check them out. I had a solid 200 goal in mind then lean down to 190ish but 205 sounds just as good. I hate the thought of carbing back up for some reason ....it's becoming a mental issue for sure. However I am open to change if it helps with my end goals
RustyhookerRead makwas dealio. Itll help you see the bigger picture. Cals are just slightly raised to support extra growth. Theres nothing wrong with 205 at 12%. If diet stays on point post cycle dropping leaner and you can be 195 back at origional bf level.
Theyre best at giving full descriptions. I just flat out eat when i bulk. Cutting i cycle carbs. I adjust anaerobic cardio levels as needed on bulk and its mandatory during cutting.
I'll buck the trend a little. My opinions are not popular around here but are firmly rooted in reality via study, personal experience and experimentation rather than opinion solely
If you cannot handle it you are likely doing it wrong
Not all 19nors are equal
Deca is best for your current goal
NPP is weak sauce compared to deca
You can bulk on deca without a need for any Ai
Deca is not a wet compound so when done right gains will be LBM (including non-muscle lbm which is a good thing)
Traditional cookie cutter nor's approach wont be good for you
You can bulk on 'keto' if you ditch the word keto and learn how far you can push carbs and protein around workouts (youd be surprised at how far and can still remain fat adapted and in ketosis)
Ditch the notion of dianabol... it doesnt build muscle
Forget orals for now
Research cachexia androgen-based treatments and soak up the real/factual info from study and clinical trials based on LBM gains from such treatments in people with normal diet and not 4k cals... this will be your 'bulking' target base, in a way, and of course youre aiming much higher via diet and training which you will need to revise and finetune - whichever diet route you take
Despite very understandable popular opinion, there is a very clear correlation between dose and gains with deca, independent of diet. Again all in the cachexia/muscle wasting studies and deca/bodybuilder studies
If you look into all of this stuff you may be surprised at the path it leads you down
Top shelf, grade A info right here..... that is greatly appreciated! I have considered deca for quite sometime but I have had prolactin issues before and ruled it out. I'm also out of caber and don't trust that what I had was even real or was severely under dosed. I do like the suggestion of finding my upper limit of carbs and dropping the keto term.....I have never considered that. I will also be doing some research on cachexia as you have suggested!
Excess testo converts to estro which mediates an increase in prolactin. Deca/tren bind more aggressively to androgen receptors leaving a whole lot of test on a typical cycle to do nothing other than to aromatise to estro. Prolactin increases for many after a spell with high estro.
Dont want that problem? Run test way, way lower on a deca cycle. Trt dose max but perhaps even lower if your estrogen conversion (you need some for health and anabolism) supports it
Understood.....even when I ran low test at 200 a week with Tren at a reasonable level I still had issues and to be honest if there is even a chance I'll have those issues with Deca it's not worth it too me
Thats interesting
Ever have prolactin issues off cycle?
No.....or it was not noticable to me if I did
Gotcya
Definitely something to watch out for