Avoiding Shutdown
Hey guys,
Ran my first test run last year and loved it. I gained about 25 lbs and only lost a few during pct. After this run I decided that I wanted to "reset" and get down to 8-10% body fat before starting to bulk again. So far I've went from 225 to 195 and from about 25% to 15% body fat. I'm looking to get to around 180 lbs which should be about 8-10% body fat.
I plan on cutting for another 5 months(through 17'). Then in the beginning of 17', I plan on running another 12 week test cycle to clean bulk. I've been slowly losing strength along with the cutting so far which I guess can be expected.
My question is. Is there anything that I can take for a quick cycle while cutting that may not shut me down hard? I just don't want to do a cycle where it's going to shut me down, because I plan on running the 12 week cycle in 5 months?
Any advice would be appreciated.
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Try this brother,don't run anything for the five months and keep your diet spot on.The longer you are natty the more you will get from the cycle.In the future though,the shorter the esters and shorter the duration of the cycle and fewer drugs will equal less shut down.
Dont wanna get shutdown at all and lose a bit of fat quicker while keeping more muscle than training naturally? Good clean diet, train hard, 4iu of HGH per day, cycle some clen here and there if you want to aswell.Perhaps ontop of that Run a lil test maybe 500mg for thr 12 weeks with 250iu HCG 2xpw whilst on cycle and do a standard nolva/clomid pct
No.
You don't tell someone to "perhaps" run a cycle in between cycles.
u my friend are a grade A cocksucker. the final paragraph was his 'question'. he asked what cycle he can run. clearly hes asking for cycle advice. not life advice and if or not he should run a cycle. so that was a possible light cycle i suggested. sorry, shall i shut everyones questions down with offtopic answers like NO? or give them some direction if theyre gonna go down that route? this forum is about guidance, theres gonna be 100 answers to every question, and nothing is right or wrong, its all opinionated and the man is allowed to decipher through all the responses and weight up the pro's and con's and make his own final decision. If i was to be so opinionated like yourself i would tell him to do what i do, which is blast and cruise to get the body he desires, or dont play with steroids at all as cycling is mostly temporary.. but no, thats not what he asked, nor is it my business to tell him thats how he should live his life.
RustyhookerDumb.... negged....kick rocks
-2 for unjustified abuse.
After he said light cycle at the end (which was referring to a supplement or mild drug)
So you suggest a fucking cycle. And yea, if someone wants to do something dumb (which this OP doesn't even fall in that boat), you don't say well they're going to do it anyways... you try to talk them out of it and explain why if it's something that isn't good for them or their health. We're not here to co-sign on dumb shit.
Regardless, he asked for advice on something light he can run that won't shut him down, and you responded with "maybe do some test". Any amount of test for 12 weeks will shut you down, so you fucked up.
"25" and you blast and cruise? Good job there too. Definitely shouldn't be giving any advice on advoiding shutdown.
Good advice brother.Don't worry he just joined and won't be around long.A mild cycle of half a gram a week plus growth and hcg you know just to keep everything working.Are you kidding me?What would be a not so mild cycle adding tren a halo?Good god D you're a better than me that you even responded with logic.
Hitman187You used the word quick. Nothing comes quick in the bb lifestyle or when trying to transform your body. Gota have patients, slow and steady is the how the results will progress no matter what you do, thats why you hear the term in bb this is a marathon not a sprint.
Unfortunately when cutting and in deep calorie deficit you're gonna be a bit flat and lose strength, it happens even with gear. You're gonna be shut down no matter what aas you take, but if your cutting you dont need alot of gear, low dose test will do the trick. Gear on a cut will keep your body from going in complete catabolic state which will help your body retain more lbm. diet also plays a big part in how much lbm you hold on to, so having that dialed in is important.
Hashtag1981Try HCG or clomid during cycle to curb shutdown... Hcg 3 times a week , tends to work best for most it seems.. some people i have seen on youtube run low doses of clomid for 1 week a month during 12 week cycles to "keep the gears working"...something to look into.
Just man up and take your hit, its gonna suck but it will pass.
x2 on Keto diet - it will bump you + 100 points (in most)
What do you mean bump me 100 points?
He means it can raise your natural test 100 points.
scuncknuts11 keto testosterone is a transdermal steroid brand name icon 11 made by patric arnald an important steroid guy. Probably the strongest legal non methylated steroid avaliable. Proviron is fun too. Epiandro is fun or androstrone. Look for androhard it's legit but 11kt and proviron are the 2 that come to mind for least suppression
weak precursors that do still cause shutdown though, no?
scuncknutsYea they cause some shutdown but not as much as others. Ya know I just remember when 11kt came out that is what Iron Legion posted that the shutdown is minimal. They are not as strong as tren or deca but 11kt is the shit actually if you ever try it. You used to could get 11kt for 44$ a bottle transdermal those were the days. both are active compounds that do not need to convert. Some of the prohormones especaly the old school one were strong as fuck.
They shut you down harder actually and are way more toxic.
M1t , superdrol are the only active " pro hormones".
M14 converts to dbol at a rate of 14 percent and considering they came in ten mg tabs, workout the math.
Terrible advice twig.
Get too fuck
scuncknutsYou think you know what you are talking about but you don't dumb fuck
scuncknutsYou don't know what you are taking about you pussy bitch. Neither is methylated or liver toxic.11kt is the active verson on 11oxo you dumb fuck.
Lmao about ten year ago when all the " new " prohormones hit the market like mdrol etc there was a heap of dumb fuck trolls like you that used to take 11xoxo either as a bridge from one shitty ph cycle to another or it wasnt uncommon for them to actuall use it in their amazing pcts of epistane and inhibit e lol.
Im guessing you are one of those dumb fucks from that particular forum- the same forum that advised that all those designer steroids including superdrol and m1t not to use testosterone and run them alone and also they recommended - reversatrol- for the gyno everyone was getting lol.
Get with it bro its not 2006 anymore we have research facts and data now, the amount of guys from back then that are still regetting those choices is actually huge, most of them regret ever touching them and ive seen them in forums all these yrs later with liver and kidney damage and most of all- premature trt.
They never recovered.
So fuck you mouth on a twig troll.
Get too fuck.
Hey I'm back ban me again you bitch since I showed you that you are wrong. You don't know who you are talking to and you don't know what you are talking about.
None of what you said is correct. Best for you to not comment on "prohormones" or in active form steroids that may be legal if you don't know what you are talking about.
Ilegal methylated steroids are just as bad (or extremely similar to) legal methylated steroids
No I don't run methyl oral steroids hardly ever any more
RustyhookerWelcome to troll stats
Well I can tell by your limited vocab you can't be a day over 12 and you probably still sucking on your mommas tits
And this isn't a prohormone forum, child (because I refuse to believe you're 28 with this behavior). If you want to give shitty pro hormone advice go to one of those shitty forums.
Seems any AAS Whether pinned or oral is going to shut you down. I've been reading a lot about keto diets for cutting. All good fats and protien and very little carbs. Watch you tube Dicks that claim to be natural and are ripped up eating that way.
Thanks for the response. I might give it a try or intermittent fasting.
Any problem with maybe running a quick oral like those weak andros or epistane for 4-6 weeks and then a quick pct before chilling for a couple months before running the 12 week test cycle in January?
I think Bill g got the right idea along the lines of a keto diet or intermittent fasting like you mentioned if I was you brother I would try that and just wait and run your cycle in.january
Waist of money. Plus from what I understand stand they have to convert twice in the liver before turning into test or a nandrolone. So they risky health wise .
Exactly the minimal gains for the strain on ones liver just not worth it