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I ran into a thread on here with someone calling someone dumb for using test 300 for TRT. So it got the wheels turning wondering why that is?? What is the difference from say using test 400 compared to test 200 for a TRT but obviously just smaller quantity in the pin? Isn’t testosterone testosterone no matter how much you cram into a vial?
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TricepatopsI know one guy posted he was running 300mgs a week as TRT. You can run whatever you want for trt as long as the doses keep you in range. But if on TRT why not run your pharm unless you are doing TRT under no supervision then to me it can get more complicated are you a 24 year old already on TRT be sure you want to be on it. Also if using cyp. Once a week is fine you could due two but why? Pinning sucks and once a week will give you just as good results as people who say two is better. I have been on TRT for 10 years now and have had blood tests alot. ALSO A tip if you see a doc don't use UGl for TRT dose unless you know it is exactly what it is. I had bloods show me over 1900 and I thought I was running a TRT dose with that brand. So use pharm on trt is my suggestion.
Pinning 300mg/ml test e for TRT isn't dumb. What is dumb is pinning it daily subq.
AnonHigh concentrated Test is brewed to be stacked. That's really it. Pinning it solo will usually come with pip. When stacked the pip is reduced by the other oil(s). High concentrated Test is made to reduce the overall volume of oil pinned when stacking. It's not wise to pin excessive amounts of oil in a single spot. A large volume of oil injected in a single injection site can cause pip, and it can be difficult for the body to absorb. My quads are pretty good until I pin more than 2mL at once, then it feels like I got hit in the leg with a fast ball, it's just too much oil in one spot.
For example: You could pin 1mL of Test E 400, 1mL of Mast E 200, and 1mL of Parabolan 100...that's 3mL at once. 2x a week is 800 Test, 400 Mast, 200 Parabolan. If that's what your stack was, then using Test E 400mg/mL would be better than using a less concentrated Test because you'd have to pin more than 3mL of oil at once and probaly need more injection sites. (Not a recommended stack for beginners. Advanced only.)
For a Test only cycle or TRT a less concentrated Test such as Test C 200mg/mL or Test E 250mg/mL is a better option for 2 reasons. 1, less pip. 2, easier to accurately measure dosage.
AirborneGruntWell explained shred!! Great details
Rustyhooker@hypertrophyhombre is pussy negging every comment you make
AnonI know. He wrote a fake a review too and posted a pic with packaging in the review. The same day he posted the same gear pic in gear pics saying it just landed, that's how I know his review is fake.
RustyhookerI saw both and i negged him fir rules violations. He was online long time and didnt give a care. Packaging hurts us members. Cheat reviews for source payoffs...pffft
RustyhookerWow....smh
Not test 300 for trt being dumb (test 300mg/cc)
300MILLIGRAMS OF TESTOSTERONE PER WEEK AS TRT
Thats a fkn cycle bro. Trt is bout 100mg a week. Lookup Dr Scalleys info.... 100mg =1000 on your blood test. Range is 300 to 1100. Top end doesnt always mean a bonus if it jacks up your cholesterol and estrogen.
Imo...dosing long ester daily for trt is an ex drug addict simply getting the fix.
And I’m looking for “Dr Scalleys” info on google I can’t find anything
RustyhookerYou cant find dr scalley....scally...? Hes pretty famous. His claim is that test should be mathematical. 100mg = 1000 on a test. 500mg = 5000 on blood test.
Problem is folks convert to e2 dht in their unique way. Plus where you pin effects timing as well. Less vascular glutes or very vascular delts.
I cant copy n paste for some ...cough cough...reason or id post link. Hes out there
Rusty Hooker you mean more vascular glutes and less vascular delts right?
RustyhookerNo...delts have lotta veins. Ventro glute less.
O damn...always thought it was opposite. But check this out, according to those injection graphs I've seen the peak blood hormone levels in shoulders are always less than glutes. That's probably why I was confused . You stated Ventro though. Glutes probably have more blood flow than ventro
RustyhookerThose charts are amazing if you look at pinning and timelines.
Yea I agree, saw several of them...I always heard test e and c half life were 7-10 days. Not what chats show. More like 4 to 5 day half life
RustyhookerYa...paper math and real world differ a lot. Think of...if its 7-10 days based on cleave, but then consider an area of more veins for absorption. Or pinning a less vascular spot?
Paper math works in a clinical setting to a degree because in clinical that 3cc max is literally a 1 time shot. If you have issues then dr simply gives antibiotics or installs a drain. Dr wont care about scar tissue or tissue damage as its 1 time and done. Switch that over to what we do...... youll never see a dr pushing steroids above clinical dose as recommended by disease type. Yet, many here run 2- 10 or more cc's a week. Deca has a clinical use of 50mg a week for sickle cell. How much is a beginning dose? How much you see posted in forums?
Personally on 75mg cyp with monday am subq pin....friday and saturday my libido is high. The rest of the week i feel 25. Placebo or what we know bout 5day being peak? Only bloods can truely be accurate. And in blood stream per blood test vs cleaved and useable vs free/bound also changes the game again.
Down the rabbit hole....
Damn good point. And seriously everything that you said I'd already considered. Yea paper math and real world. Also see all these guys runnin their mouth about how sub q is worthless. I tried to tell them facts don't lie. They speak of lumps, well I can guarantee that mct based shot will dissipate faster than a seed oil shot...meaning that lump will go away faster.The body breaks mct oil down way faster than seed oils. How do I know? I've tried it lol. Now that doesn't mean shoot 3ccs of sub q in one area. Yea like I told them, sub q has it's place. Lol don't knock it if ya aint try it. Now IM is better for blasting .
RustyhookerDefinitly im on a cycle...agree. You can get sterile abscess subq with large bolus. I keep laughin as folks talk about cycle doses for trt. Its gonna cost health in future.
So taking as an example 500mg 4-6 Multiplier gives me that number but apply that too a dose of 100mg cyp a week is like TT of 500? I’m not following ..
Is that really the conversion?
Lol were your ears ringing? Appreciate the clarification and I agree. I see people talk about 200-300/wk TRT and think WTF. I see it on here often too..
RustyhookerLol! Finally on lunch break, stahvin! Ya, theres a lot of addiction switched for new addiction. Didnt seem as common few years ago but times change. Folks pop in running full cycle like that and its gonna get messy down the road. Lol!
Mg strength can be broken down to basic dosing. Some are easier than others. In the end its your blood work thats gonna count since theres range, e2 etc to watch for plus if using UGL theres never 100% correct measurements. Adjust by each bottle and enjoy.
I believe the reason beeing is that TRT are such low dose injections that it would be hard to measure the correct dosage with such high concentration test per ml. People on TRT pin frequent for better stability in bloods. So if you pin eod and are on 100mg/w you have to split 0.25ml into 3 or 4 doses wich is impossible to be accurate with spilling and even measuring.
But don't take my word for it i'm a noob trying to learn.
I don’t understand why anyone would be dosing a long ester test more than once or twice a week. Doesn’t seem that hard to get an accurate dose
I'm pretty sure twice a week works for most people but on TRT you want you bloods as stable as possible and it is proven that the more frequent injections result in more stable bloods. Less spikes in both test and estrogen so overall well being is better.
Maybe someone else can add another reason to why not to ise high concentration test for TRT.
If you have some spare time I found this article a very interessting read.
https://themenshealthclinic.co.uk/microdosing-trt-the-future-of-testoste...
its a myth. The average male makes between 5-7mg a day of test. injecting twice a week does not make things "equal." its another high/low effect that messes your hormones up. if you take a test's half life versus average time in your system, you would see that once a week is perfect enough. Everyone just tries to reinvent the wheel and 95% of them have no bloods to prove it. The only time it matters is once every 2 weeks. Then you drop like a rock.
My urologist still wants me to pin 1x every two weeks. He even admitted that the second week I may feel a drop but standard practice is apparently 1 shot every two weeks.
My endo with the standard 200mg cyp every two weeks. Tragic
Rustyhooker100 per week and test.
RustyhookerMy script says 300mg in 1 shot per month. Lol! Noooo way im doing that lol
I feel like talking to my endo(although lenient and understanding) seems to know very little about the world we live in
I wouldn't either.
What’s their deal with the bare bare minimum; I understand it’s a safety thing and we can always work up from there but isn’t there any pre conversion thoughts? I’ve achieved levels of 600 with androgel but the entire point of the injections I thought was to bring me to 900-1000 according to the endo this time.. So; her conversions sound flawed
You should not be on the high end after you hit 30 regardless. A proper Endo follows natural progression in a male. Your body cannot sustain 1100 for the rest of your life. Your arteries will be JB Weld before you hit 60.
Agreed, what I did was took 2 blood tests out of my pocket and gave them to mine. His reasoning was hemocrit issues. So now my tradeoff is I now get bloods drawn more frequently to make sure I don't exceed the cutoff. I did once and he made me give blood and then lowered my weekly to 125 every 7 days. That puts me at 7-750 depending. He doesn't want me any higher because of my age as he said the risks outweigh the benefits of high levels.
I go above 650 and my doc starts freaking out.
I was told this year it's gonna change and I'm not looking forward to it
Appreciate the article. The charts look great and all and it’s what’s selling it to you but the difference in an actual practical setting is much more minimal. Who the hell wants to pin 12.5 mg every day for the rest of their lives when there’s no difference in quality of life if they were just pinning twice a week.
Thanks for reading it and yes I do agree with what you say pinning ed or eod for life is a hassle if you know that you can get good bloods with just twice a week.
I hope someone with more experience can give a different answer to your question.
bighulk3012Anyone that pins a long ester every day is a dumbass.
Even when were talking about trt?
bighulk3012Yes, TRT is mainly done once per week or twice max. Unless it’s a short ester like prop which doesn’t make much sense for TRT.
Well from everything I have read people on TRT pin atleast twice a week but many pin eod. Even Derek from moreplatesmoredates and many other youtubers pin frequent.
But I have no experience pinning yet and I'm just talking about the shit ive read and seen.
TRT is for life and people on TRT just want their bloods as stable as possible for beter quality of life. On cycle pinning twice a week is more than enough I believe that. But on TRT I believe what I've read and seen because they back it up with evidence that it does provide better bloodworks.
bighulk3012Well you continue to watch YouTubers and people who spread BS. They aren’t qualified to speak on that shit, they are what we call “broscience”. It doesn’t prove better bloodwork just so you know, ask any endo and you’ll find out.
What evidence have they posted? its a youtuber thats making money off of peoples stupidity and being naïve. If any of it was true dont you honestly think all endos would be prescribing it that way? I trust my doctor more than a meathead looking for youtube fame and fortune. EVen some of the best endo's in the world do not tell you to do it every day or twice a week. Thats only if you are doing it subcute.
If I were you I would read actual medical journals not broscientists. You might open your eyes wider.
Appreciate the feedback, looks like i've been doing my homework at the wrong places.
RustyhookerPubmed....
Just broaden your horizon is all.
100% agree