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I ran into a thread on here with someone calling someone dumb for using test 300 for TRT. So it got the wheels turning wondering why that is?? What is the difference from say using test 400 compared to test 200 for a TRT but obviously just smaller quantity in the pin? Isn’t testosterone testosterone no matter how much you cram into a vial?

Makwa's picture

Pinning 300mg/ml test e for TRT isn't dumb. What is dumb is pinning it daily subq.

Tommyb916's picture

And I’m looking for “Dr Scalleys” info on google I can’t find anything

DeeMan's picture

Rusty Hooker you mean more vascular glutes and less vascular delts right?

DeeMan's picture

O damn...always thought it was opposite. But check this out, according to those injection graphs I've seen the peak blood hormone levels in shoulders are always less than glutes. That's probably why I was confused . You stated Ventro though. Glutes probably have more blood flow than ventro

DeeMan's picture

Yea I agree, saw several of them...I always heard test e and c half life were 7-10 days. Not what chats show. More like 4 to 5 day half life

DeeMan's picture

Damn good point. And seriously everything that you said I'd already considered. Yea paper math and real world. Also see all these guys runnin their mouth about how sub q is worthless. I tried to tell them facts don't lie. They speak of lumps, well I can guarantee that mct based shot will dissipate faster than a seed oil shot...meaning that lump will go away faster.The body breaks mct oil down way faster than seed oils. How do I know? I've tried it lol. Now that doesn't mean shoot 3ccs of sub q in one area. Yea like I told them, sub q has it's place. Lol don't knock it if ya aint try it. Now IM is better for blasting .

Tommyb916's picture

So taking as an example 500mg 4-6 Multiplier gives me that number but apply that too a dose of 100mg cyp a week is like TT of 500? I’m not following ..

Tommyb916's picture

Is that really the conversion?

IndianaBRICKIE's picture

Lol were your ears ringing? Appreciate the clarification and I agree. I see people talk about 200-300/wk TRT and think WTF. I see it on here often too..

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Miczilla's picture

I believe the reason beeing is that TRT are such low dose injections that it would be hard to measure the correct dosage with such high concentration test per ml. People on TRT pin frequent for better stability in bloods. So if you pin eod and are on 100mg/w you have to split 0.25ml into 3 or 4 doses wich is impossible to be accurate with spilling and even measuring.
But don't take my word for it i'm a noob trying to learn.

IndianaBRICKIE's picture

I don’t understand why anyone would be dosing a long ester test more than once or twice a week. Doesn’t seem that hard to get an accurate dose

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Miczilla's picture

I'm pretty sure twice a week works for most people but on TRT you want you bloods as stable as possible and it is proven that the more frequent injections result in more stable bloods. Less spikes in both test and estrogen so overall well being is better.

Maybe someone else can add another reason to why not to ise high concentration test for TRT.

If you have some spare time I found this article a very interessting read.

https://themenshealthclinic.co.uk/microdosing-trt-the-future-of-testoste...

IrishMack's picture

its a myth. The average male makes between 5-7mg a day of test. injecting twice a week does not make things "equal." its another high/low effect that messes your hormones up. if you take a test's half life versus average time in your system, you would see that once a week is perfect enough. Everyone just tries to reinvent the wheel and 95% of them have no bloods to prove it. The only time it matters is once every 2 weeks. Then you drop like a rock.

Makwa's picture

My urologist still wants me to pin 1x every two weeks. He even admitted that the second week I may feel a drop but standard practice is apparently 1 shot every two weeks.

Tommyb916's picture

My endo with the standard 200mg cyp every two weeks. Tragic

Tommyb916's picture

I feel like talking to my endo(although lenient and understanding) seems to know very little about the world we live in

Makwa's picture

I wouldn't either. Lol

Tommyb916's picture

What’s their deal with the bare bare minimum; I understand it’s a safety thing and we can always work up from there but isn’t there any pre conversion thoughts? I’ve achieved levels of 600 with androgel but the entire point of the injections I thought was to bring me to 900-1000 according to the endo this time.. So; her conversions sound flawed

IrishMack's picture

You should not be on the high end after you hit 30 regardless. A proper Endo follows natural progression in a male. Your body cannot sustain 1100 for the rest of your life. Your arteries will be JB Weld before you hit 60.

IrishMack's picture

Agreed, what I did was took 2 blood tests out of my pocket and gave them to mine. His reasoning was hemocrit issues. So now my tradeoff is I now get bloods drawn more frequently to make sure I don't exceed the cutoff. I did once and he made me give blood and then lowered my weekly to 125 every 7 days. That puts me at 7-750 depending. He doesn't want me any higher because of my age as he said the risks outweigh the benefits of high levels.

Makwa's picture

I go above 650 and my doc starts freaking out.

IrishMack's picture

I was told this year it's gonna change and I'm not looking forward to it

IndianaBRICKIE's picture

Appreciate the article. The charts look great and all and it’s what’s selling it to you but the difference in an actual practical setting is much more minimal. Who the hell wants to pin 12.5 mg every day for the rest of their lives when there’s no difference in quality of life if they were just pinning twice a week.

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Miczilla's picture

Thanks for reading it and yes I do agree with what you say pinning ed or eod for life is a hassle if you know that you can get good bloods with just twice a week.

I hope someone with more experience can give a different answer to your question.

Miczilla's picture

Even when were talking about trt?

Miczilla's picture

Well from everything I have read people on TRT pin atleast twice a week but many pin eod. Even Derek from moreplatesmoredates and many other youtubers pin frequent.
But I have no experience pinning yet and I'm just talking about the shit ive read and seen.
TRT is for life and people on TRT just want their bloods as stable as possible for beter quality of life. On cycle pinning twice a week is more than enough I believe that. But on TRT I believe what I've read and seen because they back it up with evidence that it does provide better bloodworks.

IrishMack's picture

What evidence have they posted? its a youtuber thats making money off of peoples stupidity and being naïve. If any of it was true dont you honestly think all endos would be prescribing it that way? I trust my doctor more than a meathead looking for youtube fame and fortune. EVen some of the best endo's in the world do not tell you to do it every day or twice a week. Thats only if you are doing it subcute.

If I were you I would read actual medical journals not broscientists. You might open your eyes wider.

Miczilla's picture

Appreciate the feedback, looks like i've been doing my homework at the wrong places.

IrishMack's picture

Just broaden your horizon is all.

IndianaBRICKIE's picture

100% agree

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