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First Time Steroid Cycle for novices
There is a growing concern in the community in the lack of knowledge of what a first time steroid cycle should be like. It’s scary to see some of these young guys that are using Tren and other contraindicated compounds in their very first cycles. Putting their bodies and health at complete risk for what they perceive as overnight magical transformation. They are right about the transformation but it’s not the one they seek. The purpose for this thread is of course to educate you new guys on the right way to use steroids without making a horrible decision that can ruin your future. Using steroids is a very serious decision and should be made with proper research and knowledge. The choice you make can have dire consequences if you do not approach with respect and caution. I’m going to give you the reason that the vets on this site give this simple recommendation that has plenty of benefits for first time cyclers without all the dangers. Let’s get started….
A simple testosterone only cycle will always prove to be best when you doing your first few cycles. Yes, it is simple and it is guaranteed to be highly effective. Testosterone is the most versatile anabolic steroid of all and generally one of the well-tolerated among healthy adult males. While it will be effective there is another reason we can label these novice steroid cycles as the best option and that is because you’re only using testosterone. The scientific reasoning behind it is if you’ve never supplemented with anabolic steroids you don’t know how you’re going to react and if you’re stacking multiple steroids and run into problems it’s going to be impossible to pinpoint which steroid is causing the problem. Further, if you can tolerate testosterone well and most can this will generally be a good sign that many other steroids will be tolerated well by you as well.
For these standard novice steroid cycles in most cases Testosterone Enanthate and Testosterone Cypionate will be your primary choices; simply pick one or the other. Most all men will with 500mg per week split into two injections a week (i.e. 250mg on Monday and Thursday) by far optimal to achieve the goals of quality muscle and strength you seek. Keep in mind these are large ester testosterones and the effects will not be very noticeable for a few weeks in most cases. To truly see the gains you desire it must be used more than a mere few weeks. Rule of thumb is a 12 week cycle minimum to see the best results followed of course by Post Cycle Therapy (PCT.) PCT is one of the most important elements of the success of your cycle and all of your hard work. It is often overlooked or incomplete. A standard PCT will merely consist of the two Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM) Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) and Clomiphene Citrate(Clomid) for a course of 4 weeks. Also you must consider to have a Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) like Aromasin or Armidex on board for your cycle just in case that some issues arrive like puffy nipples and acne signaling too much estrogen. I would never start a cycle without having all of your Testosterone needed for the whole 12 weeks, an AI for issues during cycle, your PCT in full to run a full 4 weeks. LASTLY, BEFORE YOU START YOUR FIRST CYCLE PLEASE SEEK THE WISE ADVICE OF A REPUTABLE VET. This is to ensure that you have all things including your diet and training on point so that you can have the best cycle possible.
The Best Novice Steroid Cycle:
Week 1-12 Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week)
Aromasin or Arimidex on hand for any estrogen issues that may arise
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
I truly hoped I helped you new guys out. Knowledge is power but wisdom is knowing what to do with it. AAS and any other hormones is a serious choice with serious consequences. Research and know what you are putting in your body and how it can affect you good or bad. Good luck in your quest to your goals.
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a little bit out dated, its ok but it can be less than 500 per week first run, i think 350 is fine, also, i believe 1oo mgs a day for two weeks of clomid too be too much for a lot of people, could change it too 100/50/50/50, if experiencing sides. you can grow well of 350 mgs a week if diet and nutrition is in check, then on your 2nd cycle you can go up to 500.
AnonWish I was handed this with my first cycle but the guy in the gym was only concerned about my money. Good read tho and after some years off I'm going back and starting like this and I'll be honest I'm amazed at the results with a simple 600mg test e cycle
Sucks this guy was banned
Well put and thanks for posting this. Question thou, is nolvadex suitable to have on hand for estrogen issues
No, nolva is for PCT. You need an AI, (aromatase inhibitor) to controls the conversion of test into estro.
AI's are taken when signs arise? Is this stuff over the counter or will I have to dig. Rookie here and just trying to get my facts straight.
AI's are not over the counter. Most of the sources here carry them.
How much aromasin and for how long if there are any estro issues?
AnonYou gotta see what works for u try 12.5mg EOD and if your still having symptoms increase it to ED.
Thanks shredski. Ill give that a try. Didnt have any symptoms in my first 3 cycles but wanna go forward with a preventative.
Thank you
I'm 37 years old and have been training since I was about 18. I'm a total newbie to steroids but I'm going to try this cycle. If I buy Testosterone Enanthate 250mg 10ml how many viles will I need for a 12 week course at 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week)? How many shots will I get from a 250mg 10ml vile? Hopefully someone could reply to this. Sorry if it's a dumb question but as I said total newbie.
Well it's simple math. Each ML would 250mg so if you wanted to inject 500mg a week that woul be 2ML, 2 x 12 would be 24. So you would need 24ml for a 12week cycle. I would get more than needed in case you drop a bottle and I draw just a tad more due to the needle holding some of your gear. There ya go bud.
Thanks bro!
make a new post!! you will get better responses that way
Thanks mate, new to forums too!
I'm about confused about the AI i've read in some places that you should start using as soon as you start your cycles and in others people are saying to wait until you start getting symptoms, someone clarify or shed more light on this? i am about to order my pct and AI also throw in an order of letro just in case.
if you run a long chain esters with long life half such as test e or deca, you dont need to use an AI until weeks 2-3 in because it takes a while for test e to kick in, so taking an AI so soon would do not really do anything or be beneficial because there is nothing to aromatize to begin with. plus an AI is not always a must, some people get no side effects but use it as a preventive measure. if your running short chain esters such as test prop you should use it after the first week or so because of the short half life.
SpyVJust curious, could you extend to a 14 week cycle, and use prop instead of E or Cyp, and could you subsquently introduce mast at 4 weeks for the remaining 10? The latter is not to replace any part of the PCT. Mostly I'm just curious if this is acceptable for a novice?
For a novice, I don't see a problem with adding mast at wk4. Although the use of prop or E/cyp wouldn't make a difference unless you wanted the test buildup to be in full by the time the mast came into play.
Then yes, start with prop.
At the same time, by wk 4 your test e/cyp will have built up just fine. So why change it? unless you want to have a faster recovery. In which case you can just switch to prop at the last few weeks.
If you were dead set on using mast, and didn't care about build up period or wanted to reduce the amount of pins as much as possible. Then begin with test e/cyp for 4 wks, pinning 2x a wk. Then switch to prop when you start pinning with the mast and pin on the same syringe with the mast EOD for the last 10wks.
just my thoughts.
Keep in mind, I wouldn't recommend this EVER for a beginner.
I don't understand why guys want to use a short ester for a long cycle? If you wana extend our cycle stick with cyp or eth.
SpyVI have no love for EOD pinning. Just that if you are going to include mast, it seems it would best be complimented by Prop as it will have the reduced water retention. Thoughts on this?
I would not use Mast as an AI. While it may have anti estrogen uses its not to be used in place of an AI.
Can I use Mast during my cycle with test E as an AI?
Do you even know what an AI is?
no you need an A.I.
Hi, i'm 48, could be good also for my age this cycle or better start with low doses? Thks and really nice post !
This has persuaded me to run a test only cycle for my first time. thanks for the great info
Read this twice...
very good post man, much appreciated
Newb question but... Am I supposed to be going to my doctor to get blood tests done, pre and post cycle? Seems kind of suspicious when my test levels post will be significantly higher than it was pre within a 3-4 month span. Usually blood work is done once a year. Also, I have tried years ago to get my test levels checked, and my doctor down right refused.
So, if we are supposed to be going to our doctor, what medical conern would merit such frequent blood work? Or do you just come out of the closet and tell them you're using synthetic hormones? Or, are you guys going through an online pharm to order tests? Advice would be welcomed.
go through online. privatemdlabs.com Get the Hormone Panel for Females.
You should at least get pre-cycle and post-cycle bloodwork done, if not another mid-cycle. This way you will know what your baseline is and can compare after PCT to see what your state is and if you have recovered. You can use anonymous and relatively inexpensive blood labs rather than go to your personal doctor to get this done; e.g privatemdlabs.com, justgettested.com. Check the female hormone panel for privatemdlabs.
Thank you guys! I will be sure to look into that very soon.
I notice you say AI "if any issues arise" but most guys that are running their first cycle plan on .25mg eod starting on week 3 of cycle. Which is best.
cdaddy7This is the part that ppl may split in thought....I myself always use an AI on cycle esp bc i know my body and my bloodwork history seals that...now for first time cycles and a person with no puberty gyno history....the dose is relatively low bc you are using one compound....the chances are slim that u are gonna have gyno issues bc of dose and length of cycle....it is your choice if u are to implement the AI or not....I advise ppl to but u will find the other vets may disagree bc we are all different...the most important thing is for you to get to know your body and one of the best ways to do that is with bloodwork being done Precycle for baseline, during your cycle to see where your levels are at and also lets u know what kind of quality ur gear is and postcycle to make sure that u have returned back to ur normal limit baseline...It's through bloodwork and compound experience that we get to know our bodies best and it gives us longevity in this lifestyle
Might be helpful to explain symptoms of low estrogen vs symptoms of high estrogen at this point for those of us who can't get bloods done at our convenience
cdaddy7Here you go bigrigger...I hope it helps you and other
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/do-you-have-estro-issues
cdaddy7I will do that just for u guys and post it
You rock. I think that will make for a very interesting discussion . Look forward to your expertise as usual!
So what signs or symptoms will I be looking for? How often should I get labs?
I think at least before you start cycle(gives you a base line), 8 weeks in cycle(for long ester), and end pct(make sure you recover). It would be best to do more labs so you can make sure your levels are good through out cycle.
cdaddy7BOOM!!!! Fina my man!!! How u doin bro?...Damn glad to see u with great input as always
Doing great
cdaddy7Glad to hear it
cdaddy7Sore and puffy nipples is a very indicative sign...bloat, increased bp are good signs as well....I have a topic post for u to read that will give u the bloodwork layout
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/labs-and-values-defined...
Sounds like a soild plan to follow for my first cycle. Thanks for the info caddy7
Cdaddy7 bro thank you! This is some great information.
cdaddy7Glad i could help u my man!! That's what it's all about!!! Helping another brother
Awesome post! i've been on eroids for about 2 months now and im really starting to get some great knowledge. I really really want to start my first cycle, but I know its still too early. My diet isn't where I want it to be yet. In the mean time, I keep learning as much as possible until the time comes. I always see the same Vets below me with great knowledge and def have learned a ton. Its amazing some of the retarded posts some people put up and wonder why they get flamed. Patience is the key.....
If anyone would like to help with diet, i'm open for suggestions. It needs to be a household diet change for it to stick, and thats the issue i'm having right now. I can handle anything, I just need to make it easy enough for my wife to be on board with eating the same stuff.