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First Time Steroid Cycle for novices
There is a growing concern in the community in the lack of knowledge of what a first time steroid cycle should be like. It’s scary to see some of these young guys that are using Tren and other contraindicated compounds in their very first cycles. Putting their bodies and health at complete risk for what they perceive as overnight magical transformation. They are right about the transformation but it’s not the one they seek. The purpose for this thread is of course to educate you new guys on the right way to use steroids without making a horrible decision that can ruin your future. Using steroids is a very serious decision and should be made with proper research and knowledge. The choice you make can have dire consequences if you do not approach with respect and caution. I’m going to give you the reason that the vets on this site give this simple recommendation that has plenty of benefits for first time cyclers without all the dangers. Let’s get started….
A simple testosterone only cycle will always prove to be best when you doing your first few cycles. Yes, it is simple and it is guaranteed to be highly effective. Testosterone is the most versatile anabolic steroid of all and generally one of the well-tolerated among healthy adult males. While it will be effective there is another reason we can label these novice steroid cycles as the best option and that is because you’re only using testosterone. The scientific reasoning behind it is if you’ve never supplemented with anabolic steroids you don’t know how you’re going to react and if you’re stacking multiple steroids and run into problems it’s going to be impossible to pinpoint which steroid is causing the problem. Further, if you can tolerate testosterone well and most can this will generally be a good sign that many other steroids will be tolerated well by you as well.
For these standard novice steroid cycles in most cases Testosterone Enanthate and Testosterone Cypionate will be your primary choices; simply pick one or the other. Most all men will with 500mg per week split into two injections a week (i.e. 250mg on Monday and Thursday) by far optimal to achieve the goals of quality muscle and strength you seek. Keep in mind these are large ester testosterones and the effects will not be very noticeable for a few weeks in most cases. To truly see the gains you desire it must be used more than a mere few weeks. Rule of thumb is a 12 week cycle minimum to see the best results followed of course by Post Cycle Therapy (PCT.) PCT is one of the most important elements of the success of your cycle and all of your hard work. It is often overlooked or incomplete. A standard PCT will merely consist of the two Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM) Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) and Clomiphene Citrate(Clomid) for a course of 4 weeks. Also you must consider to have a Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) like Aromasin or Armidex on board for your cycle just in case that some issues arrive like puffy nipples and acne signaling too much estrogen. I would never start a cycle without having all of your Testosterone needed for the whole 12 weeks, an AI for issues during cycle, your PCT in full to run a full 4 weeks. LASTLY, BEFORE YOU START YOUR FIRST CYCLE PLEASE SEEK THE WISE ADVICE OF A REPUTABLE VET. This is to ensure that you have all things including your diet and training on point so that you can have the best cycle possible.
The Best Novice Steroid Cycle:
Week 1-12 Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week)
Aromasin or Arimidex on hand for any estrogen issues that may arise
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
I truly hoped I helped you new guys out. Knowledge is power but wisdom is knowing what to do with it. AAS and any other hormones is a serious choice with serious consequences. Research and know what you are putting in your body and how it can affect you good or bad. Good luck in your quest to your goals.
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Question. How would the doseage go for armidex; and is it only if you start to notice signs as you stated above?
RustyhookerOp is gone.
Dropdowns up top....groups....first cycles explained. Everythings there.
Great post and so clear explained. I took years ago some deca and primobolan, not much. Now im focused again on lifting weights and would like an improvement in quality of muscles but not really in size.
Then, this option would be good one too?
Im 32, 179cm and 82kg
By the way i remembder i felt in the past some soreness on the nipples so i supposed i would need the aromasin/arimidex, its ok to take during the whole 12 weeks? dosage?
Thanks in advance for your recommendations
Hey man, this thread is extremely old, so your best bet would be to start a new one and include the following info:
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat
Training history
Cycle experience
Goals
You have a lot of that in there already, but I do think that starting a new thread is your best bet for responses. One thing that did jump out at me is your ai. If you run a long Ester testosterone, like Test-E you will likely crash your estrogen if you start the ai week 1. Wait until 3-4 weeks in until the hormone has time to fully stabilize at its full dose.
Did you run a test base with your first cycle or was it just deca and primo?
Thanks for the quick answer man.
In the past i took just primo and deca, nothing else, it was around 10 years ago possibly.
Thanks for the advice! im going to open a new thread.
No problem man. Test needs to be used at AT LEAST trt dose with ANY cycle. Your natural testosterone will shut down, so without a test base you are running your cycle with literally no testosterone in your body. Among other things that can make PCT alot more difficult as your body will adjust to having NO testosterone, as opposed to not producing testosterone because it recognizes the presence of synthetic testosterone, which can make it more difficult/slower to get yourself producing again during PCT
Straight!
Thanks for the knowledge. I've ran some gear before (way too much actually in stupid amounts) thankfully with adex and an hcg/clomid/test booster pct. So I know I can handle various aas. Still, when the time comes I will start with test e 500 a week Mon/thur 250 split. Hoping to gain the knowledge necessary to do this process as safely as possible. Thank you for your post
Thanks, Basic and informative.
Hoping you guys out there can helpful in some blanks.
Im 55, 200lb, 22%bf, 5'9".
Haven't done a cycle in 30 yrs, but have been lifting last few years again,
and last year put on TRT (mild under the arm axiron).
1) Wondering if a simple test cyp cycle will be as effective as if it were my first time (because its 30 yrs later)
2) would like to incorporate the joint healing effect of deca, (if that is really true that 16 weeks of deca can
help strengthen/rebuild joints), into a cycle...should I wait until a second round?
3) Only med I am on is Crestor, for cholesterol . Does anyone know if there are any KNOWN contradictions to
cholesterol meds and a cycle?
Any Help would be appreciated. Thx
You should see if you can talk your doctor into using injectable test (Wife is worried about transfer, you feel "off" sometimes, and you don't mind needles).
I'd also wait. I made amazing changes just through diet and exercise. Get your BF down a bit more and your cholesterol down naturally. (or good cholesterol up dramatically). I would look at these two things as red flags that you don't have your diet and workout dialed in. Both are essential to running a good cycle.
Newbie here looking for education and advice before my first stack. I been on TRT test cyp at 200mg a week and taking Anastrozole 1mg 3 times a week for a little under a year. I feel good but want to take it to the next level. I have been doing a lot of research but everyone has a different preference to gear and pins. I made a donation to start 400mg a week of test cyp and 50mg of Var ed. Any suggestions or advice?
Extremely helpful article - I am a newbie here. Without getting shot down - how do I find a supplier for Test E or Cyp? seems like I need to undergo some sort of initiation ceremony
This site has a menu system. Go to sources and check them out and then make your decision. Pretty simple.
Thank you, and sorry for the novice question. Can you confirm if these sources, especially the top rated ones are generally safe to buy from? it all seems a bit too easy.
This is a review site. Reviews are done by members. Spend some time on each sources page here and see what it says. No one will spoon feed you.
That being said, top sources are there for a reason. Lots of good reviews. There are lots of other solid sources here that aren't in the top, due to volume. Become friends with people here and ask them as well. Again, personal research is key.
Thanks vhman!
Following your guidelines on this exactly. Wish me luck
Would it be alright to add Proviron to this for hardening up or it is best to K.I.S.S at this stage? Some guys suggested I should stack Test E along with EQ, and proviron for a first cycle to keep it lean and clean with less bloat. Needless to say I am not taking that suggestion seriously and I am just going to stick with Test.
Start your own thread with your own proposed cycle and the guys will chime in.
Awesome! So what about HCG? Would, should I use it?> If so when should a guy start, week 8 or 10? Up to when you start PCT?
Would you have one or both AI's on hand for first cycle or does one work better across the board? Just person dependent??
Bodyfat... Where should a 45 yo be???
I have been trying to rehab shoulder for 3-4 years now, fu** it I'm ready to step up. I have done PT ect, think needs a boost. Tired of it.
HCG is a personal preference, some guys swear by it, others never run it.
The AIs are person dependent, but from what I gather aromasin tends to have less side effects and can be run through PCT if need be. Remember, AIs should be run at the onset of high e2 symptoms, or gyno issues, or as dictated by bloodwork. It's alright to let e2 creep towards the higher side during a bulk as it actually helps with the gains, but don't let it get out of control.
BF% should be at maximum of 15%, the lower the better, regardless of age. This is a general rule to follow, as it helps reduce side effects, and increases the effectiveness of a cycle. If you're higher than 15%, read through Makwa's dieting posts as there is tons of information there that will help you bring that down in a relatively short time.
AAS are not a solution or boost for injuries. You do run a risk of re-injuring the shoulder if you're not careful. Keep that in mind.
Thanks for the help! I will look into the dieting info.
damn, before i saw the dat of the OP i was like "shit cdaddy is back!?" lol i kinda miss that old fart, along with gs, fast, zewi, and irish. the ol gang that was banned together, cough cough bonded i mean
Thanks for the great info.
Can anybody give me some advice as regards my current cycle I'm starting next week I'm going with the following. It's my first cycle of injectables with orals. I've done simple cycles before of just orals and also did a cycle of test. I'm looking at getting the best out of this cycle and have a good training and diet plan put in place. All advice welcome
12 week cycle
Test e - 1.5ml twice a week (mon and Thursday)
Tren e - 1ml twice a week (Monday and Thursday)
Deca - 1ml twice a week (Monday and Thursday)
All the above in the same syringe.
Dbol - 50mg per day for the first 6 weeks
Anavar - 50mg per day from week 4-12
PCT I'm using arimidex from start, week 6 onwards adex and clomid.
All advice welcome.
RustyhookerFirst cycle? It's horribly wrong
Rustyhooker
Care to shed some more light.
Age is 28
Height 182cm
Weight 86kg
Body fat 13.7%
1.5ml trenbolone twice a week
1.5ml nandrolone deca twice a week
1.5ml test Enanthate twice a week
All in one injection on Mondays and Thursday of cycle
What do you think I should change here
Get rid of the deca and tren. You should not be doing tren until everything else has been tried and you're at least 30 imo. They both shut you down hard and tren sides are rough.
Try:
600mg to test
dbol kicker
prop taper.
Would you really recommend dropping both deca and tren. I know tren is hard on the body but aren't the results from it better?
Do you reckon cutting the cycle down to just
Test
Dbol
And prop taper
Will have good results.
Your first cycle and you are running two19nors and stacking orals! You are in way over your head with this one.
Care to shed some more light here on this.
Would you recommend just going with the test and forgetting the orals altogether. What's your opinion
What is your goal for the cycle? Gain weight, lose weight, getting ready for a competition?
Goal for cycle is to add lean muscle and size/strength. Not competing mate.
You'll want to post your age, and the actual mg's of the gear you want to inject. 1,5ml of Test does not really tell us how much test.
Sorry should have been a little more clear
1.5ml of test E a week over two injections
I plan to run test e 500mg a week, have ai on stand by.. my question is, is Clomid AND nolva necessary? I have nolva, and can get Clomid. But I've read conflicting theories on this, some say nolva is enough, others say use both.
Thanks in advance, I won't be pinning until I've cleared this up lol been reading so much on these forums I've finally just decided to ask like a true newbie
Good advice especially the pct dosages thanx
i thought you had to taper or 500mg a week could turn into 750 then 1000 then 1250 and so on? then also taper back off to make pct easier?
MF, no need to taper up or down. The slow release nature of Test E or C allows the levels in your body to slowly rise up, and then to slowly taper off at the end. 500mg a week is a great dosage for a first cycle.
try plugging some compounds into steroidplot.com, you'll see what your serum levels will end up at during a cycle.
This Is a great post that really broke things down. I appreciate it
Thank you for this write up this is perfect!
thank you so much, this actually replied everything on my post for advice!
Good to know the system worked for you. Have a safe cycle
Yes, Thank you for your input to GSXR
Very helpful post!
I pretty much did the same cycle for my 1st. I'm looking to do a second soon. What do you guys think of this..
1-12 test-e 500mg/wk
1-10 deca 300mg/wk
2-13 proviron 25-50mg/ed
1-14 arimidex .25mg/eod
15-16 nolvadex 40mg/ed
17-18 nolvadex 20mg/ed
42yo 5'6 177 15% bf
I second what pin cushion said. Fill out your profile and post this in the cycle section or cycle log. Just for a start: it's no good. Do some research on first/second cycles (including proper PCT) and post up and get some help from there. We'll be looking for it.
Thanks vhman, will do...
You posted a cycle in a 2 year old thread by a guy who was banned. Post this in the cycles forum, but you need to include previous cycles if any and what your diet, and goals are for your proposed cycle.
Your right,
thx pin c
No problem