What to add to Test base
Seeking some input from those more knowledgeable…
I’m 40 years old and been in the gym regularly for well over a decade.
On TRT for 4+ yrs
Currently 6’, 195lbs, 13-15% bf (on the highest end)
1st cycle: test only (at 480mg/wk for 12wks)
2nd cycle: test (420mg/wk for 16wks) & anavar (started at 25mg up to 50mg/day for final 9wks)
1st cycle was a bulk, ate at surplus during the colder months. After that I lowered back down to TRT dosages for a cpl months then started 2nd cycle. Had good results eating at a deficit and lost a lot of weight for a beach vacation. I looked pretty good and felt good, but now I’m feeling too small again lol.
Seeking suggestions:
Wanting to eat at a small surplus and put on some mass without putting on too much bf%. Any suggestions for compounds to add? I’d like to explore adding another injectable as I’ve never done that before, but I guess a higher test and oral only cycle could be an option. Also, I’d like to keep it at two compounds only so that I can differentiate between side effects since I’m still fairly new to the game. What would y'all suggest? (FWIW I plan on being on TRT for life)
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If you can afford it Test and Primobolan
Or Testosterone and Masteron
Could do Test and Equipoise.
Test and DHB
You could up the var dose. Run Test with 75-100mg for 6 weeks?
I love Winstrol but... it it harsh, I try to stay away from running any real meanful dose of it anymore. But... if youre in good health, havent abused your body much in life, most people can handle a couple winny cycles.
If youre gonna run primobolan. Make sure you get enough and have realistic expectations of what to expect.
I’d love to do primo but man I just find it difficult to justify at the current prices.
I can get some eq but that just seems like a marathon and I’m not sure I’m patient enough at this point for that lol.
My labs didn’t look great at 50mg of var, but I understand that’s expected on it… would kicking it up more give me more mass or should I just run some dbol for 6 weeks instead?
A domestic sources has Bold Cyp that apparently doesnt have PIP. You could try that.
I really think EQ or Bold cyp might be your best choice, everything considered.
I always assume that pretty much any cycle is gonna throw my labs off while on. Expect to see shit high/low. I think keeping those harsher cycles as short as possible is key.
Dbol at the end with leave you looking puffy.
You could run dbol to kick start. Run 25mg of dbol for 3 or 4 weeks while youre waiting for the EQ/test to kick in. By the end of the cycle all the water weight from the dbol should have come off, if you do it right.
Or... Bold cyp/Test and dbol for the first 2 weeks.
Dbol does feel great. Ive heard people say they feel good mentally on it. I agree with that. It feels like being on testosterone basically.
There are so many combinations ways you can run things. Im just spitballing ideas.
Primo. My favorite cycle is just that: test/primo in whatever ratio keeps your e2 in check without AI (I like 5/4 test/primo but YMMV).
Compared to test only:
- no AI needed
- gains feel “cleaner” and less watery
- adds additional anabolic benefit with basically no sides (honestly just felt like nothing)
The last one is the key. I’m in my late 30s and having zero impact on sleep, BP, etc while still growing is pretty much perfect. I honestly believe part of a successful lean bulk is just using gear that doesn’t hamstring your progress from shitty sleep, water weight, etc. just clean gains
GH Dude! Especially for 40 plus. Need that sleep, recovery, and its a whole new pathway you are not hitting yet. GH goes great with TRT its just expensive. Id look into that.
It’s definitely crossed my mind. What would you suggest starting off at and titrating up to? What results do you think I could expect?
More test is an option too. Along with moderate dose EQ. Like 750/250 test eq. Adding low dose eq to 400-500mg test won’t move the needle much in terms of gains, but it will likely control your e2. Currently on 500/150 with an E2 of 19. Still needs tweaking
Boldenone is dry, great synergy with test imo. Takes some trial and error though to get your ratio dialed in
Npp+mast+test. Hgh if you can find/afford it
This is the best cycle I have found. I actually recently added tren at a tiny dose. I know we aren’t supposed to run double 19nors but I’ll pull out if it gets ugly. I think the dose is low enough I should be okay. We will see.
Ever tried it?
Ive never tried tren. I have a pretty hot head and even npp makes me real short fused.
plus I'm over the hill at 40, so gotta take that into consideration.
I'll let all you youngins have all the fun
I just did Tren man and I am 43 but it does make you a hot head. I was yelled at by my best friend and he said for me to never get on it again haha. I really do like the results from it though.
Next time you should sex assault him so you have a cool story for daily bitches
I am going to get him on Tren and then he will do it willingly and I will post the story. Meanwhile I think you and I need to smash while our boyfriends watch.
I have him on a nice cycle right now of DHB, Test, Primo and Deca for joints. He is already excited by what he is seeing in the mirror.
Also in my 40s.
Masteron made me a fuck hot head for a bit. I really had to do some work to get it dialed back. I keep waiting to feel the kick in the anger from tren, but I’m kinda hoping it’s no worse than Masteron.
I am naturally hot headed. Proceeding with extreme caution. lol.
Lol mast just gives me sensitive skin and scalp acne... That I enjoy squeezing.. is that gross? Tell me how gross I am
I turn into a sexual taranasaus on masteron. Or a super gooner, if im not getting an pussy.
Same here. Wife got so pissed off one day she said “***** three times a day is unreasonable! Go jerk off!”
Fine, wife.
Fuck thats what is going on, mast is doing it. I was so damn confused on why all the sudden I have acne all over my scalp and I have some sensitive skin. I started accutane but I may just do a tele doc and get a rx for it.
I get the feeling you just want me to talk dirty to you
Jrihard89Wrong answer fucker. Ima have @Gotem69 hold you down while I pin you with tren. You’re going to fucking like it
Then I'll spit in his booty hole!
Yes daddie
Primo, if you can afford it.
If you are lean, try Masteron. I don’t ever want to run a cycle without it!
If your blood pressure is good, bold cyp is a treat. Especially if you need help with the appetite.
If you’re wanting to bulk, I can’t say enough good things about NPP. If your joints are rough, I would say this is your number 1 option for an add-on.
Yea man Primo prices are really high for me right now. I contemplated it but I didn’t think it was going to be worth the extra $.
I should add the TRT clinic (no longer with a clinic, I just self prescribe now days and check labs in my own) gave me some nandrolone and I ran it at fairly low dosages and not as part of a “cycle,” although it was at a higher bf% and I didn’t like how it made me feel - thought I had some libido/ED issues even at that fairly low dosage. Can’t remember what I ran it at but it never got above 1:1 ratio with the test.
It sounds like bold cyp or EQ might be your next best option, again, depending on your blood pressure situation.
There’s also DHB- which I have no personal experience with so I can’t suggest it. But it’s worth looking into.
Like Aggie stated, tren can definitely do what you’re wanting. Different intensity level.
Go to Tren it is cheap and it will do what you want. Tren Ace has less sides and needs to be pinned small amounts ED or EOD
That price point is right up my alley lol, but I am well aware of the potential sides. What would you recommend running Tren at along with 500mg test for a rookie?
Since it’s your first time ever start at 150mg of Tren then see how your body takes it. You can then slowly increase it up to 300mg a week if everything goes well. I would recommend Tren Ace to start so that if you have sides it leaves your body quicker. It will need to be pinned EOD