posted Sat, 02/17/2024 - 15:58
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Lean Mass and Fat Loss Cycle
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New to the site, but I have dabbled in oral and injectable 14 years ago. Trying to get back into it and below is my cycle I am planning to do. Please let me know if this is a dumb idea to jump back into it.
50mg of Anavar per day (1 pill) for 8 weeks
50mg of Winstrol per day (1 pill) for 8 weeks
200mg of Test E per week for 8 weeks
300 mg Test Undecanoate per week for 8 weeks
PCT
Clomid
4 days - 100mg
2 days - 75mg
2 days - 50mg
7 days - 25mg
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Thats a horrible liver killer layout. And youre not going to cut and mass together ever. Its all dictated by foods. Pick a journey. Testosterone only.....not undecanoate....
I'll say listen to your body and ease back into it gradually.
Generally you want to pick one or the other. I wouldn't hop on gear until you reach maybe 12%bf. The leaner the more benefits you'll get from steroids. The higher BF the more likely you'll get negative sides from steroids. Also I would just stick with a Test only cycle. It's been 14 years. That's a long time and basically your body doesn't know what steroids are anymore. You're starting off fresh. I would add Nolva to the clomid for PCT. They work better together than separate.
I appreciate all the comments and advice. Like I said it's been awhile since I've done any of this. Right now I'm 6' 232lbs with 18% BF. I understand all the comments about not trying to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Maybe I'll rework this to loose some BF% before doing a bulk for 10-12 weeks.
That PCT protocol is pretty weird too. I would stick with a traditional four week clomid/nolva PCT.
I’ve gained muscle while in a deficit. It’s definitely possible. But you won’t gain nearly as much muscle as you would when bulking/in a caloric surplus. And losing fat would be reallllllly hard in a surplus, if possible at all. You’re going to gain some fat in a bulk.
I would change everything tbh. What's your bf%, you won't cut fat with gear especially at that high of a test dose. Get to 15%bf or lower preferably lower then go 8 weeks of test prop 100mg eod, anavar 25mg twice a day 5 hours apart for the last 5 weeks, if you can tolerate it go 6 weeks but make sure you get a liver and kidney support supplement and get bloods done, anavar will trash your lipids. If you don't want to injection 3 times a week then go 12weeks test e 200mg twice a week, and anavar 25mg twice a day 5 hours apart for the last 5 weeks. Pct should be clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
One thing at a time. Don’t know what you look like now but if you’re high body fat, I would recommend losing the fat first. Years ago, I made the mistake of bulking while still high body fat and just got fatter. The best (and only) way to do that is a caloric deficit. I dropped over 50lbs in 6 months on a deficit. Eat clean and train as hard as possible. Once your body fat is in a good range, you can start to implement a caloric surplus to bulk. Have you gotten bloodwork to see where your levels are naturally? That would be a good thing to know. I would hold off on the orals as well. And why 8 weeks for everything? I would do more research before starting anything. And by research, I mean reading, not being your own lab rat.
Yeah, 8 weeks isn’t nearly enough time for test-e and especially test-u. Test- U levels won’t stabilize until at least week 6. Also, don’t try to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously. Those goals are in direct conflict with each other and are not going to happen in a meaningful way simultaneously. If you want to lean up and pack on lean mass you should first focus on losing the fat without gear then consider a sensible cycle to add some lean mass. Just my $.02
If you’re only gonna go for 8 weeks then I’d sub the test E and test U for test prop. And drop the orals. You’ll get more out of it if you focus on one aspect: fat loss or weight gain (muscle and fat). Better to get stellar results focusing on one than mediocre results on both aspects trying to do both simultaneously.
First off steroids dont make you lose fat. If your thinking that winny and var is gonna get you ripped..... its not. It all comes down to your diet. You can cut or bulk on any compound.
Second, 8wks of 500mg Test is absolutely pointless. it would barely be kicking in good as soon as you stop. I would double the length at least like 16wks long minimum.
I disagree I don't think 8 weeks of 500mg of test is pointless.
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16 weeks minimum? Idk maybe if he was only running Test U. Regardless, I wouldn't call it pointless. Not ideal. Definitely not pointless.
anvilI would.t run double orals. Why everything for 8 weeks? I don't what kind of body composition you have to make any other recommendations. Maybe start with just 200 Test E and go from there.
ever thought of running NPP? Everytime I've used it I put on solid lean mass and you'll love it when your running your winny so your joints stay lubed. I would do everything your doing but add in 350mg of NPP. you'll get exactly what your looking for.