First Cycle
I wanted to hop on first cycle and have done research on what I need. Would like to hear what anyone has to say about it. I’m currently 250lbs174lbm and am going to drop to 230 before starting cycle. I’m expecting to cut to 215 and put on more lean mass.
Cycle Compounds (Weeks 1–12)
Week Testosterone E Masteron Anavar
1-12 400 mg/week — —
5-12 400 mg/week 250 mg/week —
7-12 400 mg/week 250 mg/week 50 mg/day
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On-Cycle Support Supplements
Arimidex 0.25 mg 2x/week (adjust if needed)
TUDCA 500 mg/day
Omega-3 (Fish Oil) 2000–3000 mg/day EPA+DHA
CoQ10 100–200 mg/day
Magnesium Glycinate 300–400 mg/day
Creatine Monohydrate 5 g/day
L-Citrulline Malate 6–8 g pre-workout
Ashwagandha 600 mg/day
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Bloodwork Schedule
• Pre-cycle baseline
• Mid-cycle: Week 6
• Post-cycle: 4–6 weeks after PCT ends
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Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)
Start: 14 days after last Test E injection
Length: 4 weeks
Week Clomid Nolvadex
1-2 50 mg/day 40 mg/day
3-4 25 mg/day 20 mg/day
PS: I know it may seem a bit extreme for a first cycle but after researching I believe this will help me achieve my goals. I’m already locked in on my diet and training and believe this will enhance the work I’ve put in and am going to put in. For reference I’m already down 80lbs from 330lbs and got here from training weights and cardio 6x a week and dieting.
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My suggestion is really think hard if this is what you wanna do and how serious you are about it because you mind as well forget about PCT. Any gains you might get from this cycle you will just lose during/after your attempt at PCT. If you wanna do this thing and see real long term results and actually keep your hard earned gains permanently then you need to be realistic and understand that you need to be a little crazy and commited to want to live this lifestyle. The reason that is, is because it's a serious commitment and if you wanna be successful then there is no PCT, there is only going on and staying on. You run your cycle as long as you can keep making gains until your bloodwork says stop. Then you run a cruise dose of Test(TRT), a short recovery phase and fix your bloodwork. Then you get ready to blast your next cycle again and continue to repeat that process until your the size you wanna maintain. The more muscle you've built over the years means now the higher the maintenance(trt) dose of Test will now be permanently to keep these gains. You try to PCT off, you lose your gains. You don't run a high enough maintenance dose of Test(trt) again you lose your gains. After a couple cycles you'll realize that Bulk, Cut, Repeat approach is your best bet for max gains and staying lean. But I can promise you that you'll just be disappointed w/ an attempt to PCT and realize you spent 4 months and how ever much $ to be right back where you started. On the upside that's great your doing daily cardio, keep that up even during a Bulking phase. Always do your daily fasted cardio. I would say start yourself on TRT and get that under your belt first and then run your first cycle so that afterwards you'll be prepared to drop back down to TRT post cycle. Best approach is just get on TRT now and keep dieting until you're down to -15%bf(preferably -10%bf) then you will be in a good place to start your first cycle. Be patient you'll get there soon enough.
Personally I would say you should just be running the Testosterone by itself if this is a first cycle and see how far you get with that, then add a second oil on your next cycle. 50mg of Kidney killing Anavar per day seems the new norm for a first cycle, to me that's ridiculous. Its as bad as taking 50mg of Anadrol in my eyes if you weigh up all the negatives of Anavar, just because it is mild on the liver doesn't mean it is on kidneys and lipids.
Agree with you 100%. I've only done a high trt dose (200/wk/cyp) and that has had a profound effect on my physique and strength compared to lifting natty. Can't imagine jumping on double that amount, plus mast and anavar out of the gate.
First cycle should be testosterone only, bloods before, mid, and after, to see how your body reacts to the introduction of exogenous hormones. With that being said, you’re probably going to do what you’ve already decided on, and masteron as well as Anavar are considered mild, so here goes…
Run the masteron the whole time.
Drop the AI, with masteron it’s definitely not needed
Drop ashwagandha
TUDCA is up to you but not really needed here
Save nolvadex for when and if needed
Cut the Anavar to 4 weeks tops
Drop clomid and use HCG (clomid if HCG doesn’t work
All this is only my opinion and what makes sense through experience and education, your mileage may vary.
Good luck and have fun with it!
Just curious why drop the ashwagandha? Also appreciate the reply.
It’s going to be your first time introducing a new drug into your system for a significant amount of time, you’re going to want to see how your body responds and reacts to any new drug before adding anything that could reduce side effects, you want to know what side effects you’re getting then treat accordingly. Less is more. Let’s say the doctor puts you on a new medication and tells you the first symptom of a potentially fatal reaction is a headache, would you take Tylenol along with that med so you don’t feel a headache?
Okay that makes sense appreciate the analogy.
anvilWell said Drexyl.
Your’s as well
Well I commend you on actually doing some research.
Masteron is a complete waste of time and money for you. It’s a visual drug that shows it’s worth at low BF, like under 12% max. You’re not anywhere close to that and won’t be even at the end of this cycle. So no masteron. Besides the fact that it’s a waste of money for you and won’t give you any results, it’s not worth putting another harmful drug in your body for zero reward.
174lbs of LBM at 250 means you’re around 30% bf? So really high to be taking any steroids at all. . However, atleast you’ve made quite a bit of progress naturally and have your diet and training dialed in. Too many guys want to start taking gear before they ever hit the gym or diet. And obviously they stop training as soon as they’re off gear because the gear was the only thing giving them motivation to train.
The anavar is fine at the end. You’ll have had enough time to learn how your body reacts to just test and if any new sides pop up you’ll know it’s the anavar. Var has some good fat burning properties that will help you.
But all in all the benefit of the gear here is to allow you to go into a deeper caloric deficit than you can naturally while still retaining muscle. Letting you burn more fat. You would be better of shedding another 10% bf naturally before using gear. Gear at high BF isn’t a great idea and amplifies many side effects. But you’re an adult and can make your own choices.
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you maybe you didn’t see this but I’m dropping to 230 before starting the cycle. That would put me at 24.5 bfp which is still high but I’m going to use the cycle as a tool to lose weight at an enhanced pace and potentially put on lean mass or just keep what I have. Also I know mast isn’t a great compound at high bfp but wanted to have it in due to the possibility of me not needing AI’s. But I’m considering dropping it if it really is not worth it.
Waiting until you’re down go 230 is a much better plan. But ya, 24% still way too high for mast. I’d never add another steroid just for estrogen control, especially on a first cycle. Mast is quite androgenic and can have alot of sides that go along with strong androgens. It’s worthwhile to an Extent when you’re lean and going for a specific look, but not worth it at high bf just to control estrogen. The one exception I make to that rule is proviron for e2 control. Even then it probably still makes more sense to take some adex a few times a week, especially on a first cycle. But I love proviron and it has more benefits than just e2 control.
I’d drop the mast, run test at 400. Start the anavar 6 weeks before you start PCT, so you’re last 2 weeks will be the time you’re not taking the test anymore.
I’d up the clomid to 100mg for atleast week 1 of pct, if not week 2 as well. Nolva at 40. Then cut them in half weeks 3 and 4.
Probably a pretty decent chance you can drop to 14% bf on this cycle if you have everything dialed in. Cardio plus deficit with your diet and lifting.
I've been eyeballing proviron. Almost seems to good to be true though, as in it's cheap, easy to source and not much in the way of sides that I've heard of.
Yeah that’s what I was going for. I probably will drop the mast.Thanks for the pct advice.
Run the mast the whole time. If its because you dont have enough then just hold it until you have enough. Run cycles based off purpose not based off what you have on hand.
I agree. But my reasoning behind running it later is because I have no clue how my body will react to these compounds and wanted to introduce them one at a time with enough space in between to distinguish any sides that may occur if any at all.
If you are gonna do masteron, might as well do it the whole cycle. No sense in only doing for the latter
I agree. But my reasoning behind running it later is because I have no clue how my body will react to these compounds and wanted to introduce them one at a time with enough space in between to distinguish any sides that may occur if any at all.
anvilThen just run one instead of doing 1.5 of 2. Also you are way to high in BF to see anything from Mast.