Do you really think generic HGH actually does contain HGH?
Hi,
So I'm bringing up one of the most debated HGH topics. I'm only bringing it up because I'm sick and tired of paying a fortune for pharmacy grade HGH. I can't afford that any more, it's costing too much.
Ok so a little about me, I've only ever ran generic HGH once, they were Black Top Hygetropin and they seemed useless to me. However, I never got bloods on them, I only ran them for a month and I did feel a bit of CTS when I blasted them. Plus don't forget my source was one of these dodgy email sources how could have just switched the powder around for anything, if he wanted to he could have died rat shit white and put it in the vials, I think you get the point? Either way this experience put me off generic HGH for good, it also made me think more into HGH and the fact that people say it costs millions to manufacture it and that it's a very difficult process that why only licensed pharmaceutical companies like Norditropin, Pfizer, and so on can only do it. But is this true? Is it really that difficult?
Also let me add a few more things into the debate. Generics and pharmacy HGH have a different smell, pharmacy always smells like band aid slash a hospital where as the generics I ran didn't really have much of a smell, one vial smelt of urine (no joke!) and many others have reported that their generics don't smell the same as pharmacy, isn't this slightly concerning? Could the different fillers and preservatives be the reason behind the differences in smell?
Another thing, I've never ever had red welts or itchy injection sites or a sting from pharmaceutical HGH yet with generics I have and it seems to be very common with generics and non existent with pharma grade, wht is this? Could it be argued that with pharma grade you get a solution with it rather than having to buy your own solution?
One more thing against generics is the fact that many report effects from generics straight away like CTS, bloating, etc. Whereas with pharma grade no one ever notices other than subtle effects until at least over 1 month of running it ED, doesn't this worry anyone? It's almost like they're putting fast acting substances in generics, not like pharma grade.
Oh almost forgot the cost per IU, why is that so different? It surely must cost the same to product HGH no matter where you are from, so why are generics so much cheaper?
People say they only buy pharma grade for a peace of mind as there's better quality control but when you really think about it, it's not just because of that. There's so many more differences between pharma and generics that I could mention but I can't think of all of them right now.
So one the generic side of the argument, there's absolutely tons of lab tests on here (IGF1 tests, GH serum tests and even mass spec tests) that all prove that these generics are increasing the levels they're supposed to be and that's pretty solid proof but then again people on the other side of the discussion are arguing that their are chemicals that throw the blood work off, is this true? Is there other chemicals cable of throwing blood work off and giving pretty similar effects as HGH would? And can a mass spec test be thrown off, or is a mass spec test conclusive?
I really really want to move to the generic side but I'm struggling to move over because there's a big argument against all generic HGH, yet my wallet can't take any more of pharma grade. It's not just me asking these questions, there are many, but others haven't asked my exact questions.
I'd appreciate it if only non-biased user's reply because I don't want any shit storm starting in this thread where someone has a go at me because they think I'm criticizing their blue tops or whatever they are.
I'd really love to see members like Gorrilafit, Greg and a few more knowledgeable people around this section comment here. I'm sorry for the long winded thread but these questions must be answered.
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Biologic1There is a very simple way of knowing: Bloodwork. Some do 10 IU's, then get serum GH levels measured directly, but there are many variables, the main one the fact that the pituitary manufacturers GH in bursts.
The best way, IMO, is measuring IGF-1. IGF-1 will consistently elevate in response to GH. IGF-1 is much, much more stable, and there will be only small variations.
And yes, there are a lot of fakes. However, there are also legit kits. I am just finishing a 6 month run of Rips, at only 1.5 iu's a day. I am older, and will do this amount (replacement) for life. Fat loss is excellent, and the most dramatic effect was on my skin and hair. I only put of a couple of pounds of muscle, but am happy with my size.
If you can find legit Rip/blue tops for under $275, buy them.
I recently had some GH made for me. I am starting on it tonight, and getting bloodwork on April 28, After that I will post up my results (IGF-1).
Before getting into that debate, I think it is important to know how much pharma really costs when compared to generics. On the shelf IU to IU generics are easily up to 50% less expensive than pharma.
But if I'm using 4 IU's generic to get the same result as 2 IU's of pharma then the cost is essentially the same.
So even if pharma costs one or two hundred dollars more per month with that I get less sides, and peace of mind.
This is not a comment on the effectiveness of generics, just a reminder to factor how you use them into your equation.
I'll say up front, I know nothing about the manufacture and distribution of hgh in china. And you raise some valid points. If you look at the US you'll see that there is a plethora of generic, store brand medications. Do you think Kroger makes their own Nyquil or aspirin? Of course not. They have licensing deals with those that do. Could the same thing be going on in china? I don't know.
What happens to a batch of hgh that is tested and fails the chinese legal requirements for purity and effectiveness? Say it's only 80% for example. Does a company like .com.cn buy it up and sell it as 100%?
I don't know.
People mention that it costs millions for the equipment to manufacture hgh as if that means anything. True, I won't be producing any hgh anytime soon. We are talking about a market worth 100's of millions. What's a measly million or two for a hgh lab? After all, there are 10's of millions of dollars of cocaine seized each year that is written off as "overhead" by the cartels. Doesn't seem to phase them a bit.
To summarize: Unlike those who will say there is no hgh in generic hgh for the reasons you've listed, I'm of a mind that says it's plausible that there is.
FromTheGraveYes, but given the current market pharma is around 4 times as expensive as generics, you should know this as we both buy Genotropin pens from the same source I think. Which would mean that the cost for generics is a lot cheaper. And according to most lab tests on here an IU of a generic is almost the same as an IU of pharma, in some cases the generic is better.
So by buying generics you're saving a lot of money with more sides and no peace of mind. So it's a very tough decision to make unless you're wealthy, which I'm not unfortunately.
You're correct, there's quite a few bad batches with generics and this is worrying, this is where it could get costly.
I don't know where to go, I either stick with pharma grade and drop down to a dosage that will be off little to no benefit to me. Or I move onto generics and run a dose like 4-5IU's a day and hope for the best. What to do?
You are correct, I misspoke or generalized too much when I said generics were only half as much when in fact they can be as much as 4 times cheaper. But that shouldn't detract from my point on dosing generics v pharma to get the true cost.
The title of your post is, "Do you really think generic HGH actually does contain HGH?" so I gave my opinion with respect to that. Yes.
As for quality, that's a whole other can of worms. I think finding a good source is paramount to getting consistently good product. Can the product be on the "lower end of the scale", or stepped on -mixed with other fillers or peptides. Sure. Dollar for dollar is it worth it? Perhaps.
As I see it there are 3 roads you can go down.
Use the pharma as long as you can to learn how YOU benefit from it.
Use the generic for a while to compare and judge how it works for you in relation to the pharma.
Maybe a "hybrid/compromise", 2 IU's pharma at night. 2-4 IU's generic in the morning.
I'm compromising right now. 2ius of Pharma and 2ius of generics split daily now. I've been wanting to up my dose for a while and this is the only way I can do it cost wise.
I do think there are some generics that are effective and efficient. I also think there are some generics that contain a lot of undesirable additives that build up in our bodies and probably are not very good for us in the long run. Especially when I hear of severe water retention, CTS and the red welts.
So far no generic or the Pharma I have has given me any red welts. If you are getting red welts from your generic, that's a bad sign and I wouldn't use it. But so far I've just started my Pharma and I can't wait to see the long-term results.