posted Fri, 09/11/2015 - 08:24
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Alright guys so if youre on trt you get blood work done regularly from your doc. How does your doc not know your taking gear? If he catches you taking gear from your labs, is he not supposed to terminate your script?
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i'm out of the loop, but im 99% sure there was a time when inexpensive online legit Dr's would run your blood-work and then open a safe of choose-your-own-prescribed-gear-for-you. Just poke around, if they still exist they weren't hard to find when I was on the boards years ago.
I also know that this is an unsexy opinion hereabouts, and for nearly all good reasons, but many, many npc top competitors and ifbb pros were on 'trt' in their late teens to early twenties and beyond. Permanent damage inevitable? Yes and no. Dr. knowingly prescribed for abuse yet monitoring blood-work as to perform some sort of medical ethics? absolutely.
'gone are perhaps the days of american pharmaceutical candy flavoured sublingual winny for 'low test' somehow legally!
mikeyg4321Everyone is right, once I get this natty levels back up I'm staying off for a long time. Thanks everyone for your responses. I would still like to be around and talk with everyone if Darth pale will let me
I really do not think it is a good idea. You should run away from here and run too your lady that actually cares about you and your long term health.
@mikeyg4321, brother, as you're most likely aware, the peeps on this site all preach a very loud sermon of abstinence from using exogenous hormones until much later in life. That message is repeated for many, many reasons, again all of which you're probably very well aware, especially since you posted this message in the "OVER 40 TRT" section.
There's a reason there's no "UNDER 25 TRT" section here. It's called squats, deadlifts, whiskey and women. Don't piss your 20s down your leg like most men do, then wake up at 30 and have an endocrine system that's fucked.
Listen to palmcoaster in his comment below, and again, make sure you're doing plenty of squats, deadlifts, front squats, and lots of presses (flat bench, incline dumbbells, etc) every fucking week. When you work those big muscle groups, you'll get the most bang for your buck regarding your natty hormone responses.
This thread link below has multiple links as to WHY to wait, and HOW to kick ass with your twenties. AAS will still be around when you're in your mid 30s and you've hit your plateaus. Read this, learn, lift hard, chase women, and come back here in 2020 to fill us in. Go forth and be young.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/smoking-your-endo........
At 23, there should be no thoughts of trt in your arsenal. Your levels are peaking now and at 195, there is still tons of growth at your disposal with a proper eating regimen. Docs orders are bump your protein intake up to 300 grams per day and 4500 calories and call me in the morning
You guys are all advising a 23year old. WTF!
Holy crap. I did not even think to check. You are right.
FR sent.
mikeyg4321Alright everyone is taking this hcg counter productive to raise natty test levels?
mikeyg4321UPDATE
decided before trt I got my doc to give me a script for pharma pct stuff and will run it for one month and pull bloods 2 weeks after. will let everyone know the results later.
@mikeyg, please keep us updated! This sounds like it could be something that I could also benefit from, and I am eager to learn from your experience. Thank you for sharing this with the community!
mikeyg4321No problem man. Right now doc has me on 1mg adex ED with 3000iu of hcg EOD for the next month. Just in case you're wondering.
How often is your blood work? Every 3 or 6 month's?
mikeyg4321Only when I cycle. I have not started trt yet. However I imagine if did start it would be 3 months. Only because my friend is an actual friend of my doc which is how I found the doc in the first place. My buddy told me he has some guy on trt and he comes in every 3 months for monitoring.
Thats awesome, because being on trt when you dont need it is the best thing! And when that POS doctor gets caught for giving out trt to idiots good luck finding another one that wants to play along!
What in the fuck are you thinking? I am negging this because it is reckless, stupid, and a waste. You in some sort of rush to never have kids? Let me guess, you plan someday to go pro or this is your lifestyle or (insert another excuse).
PCT and go back to building muscle naturally if its not already too late. There is a post here about aggressive PCT to kick start you back to normal. Instead of researching aas research diet, training, and the disadvantages of starting aas young.
Does your friend know that you run gear?
Because if he does maybe your friend can talk to his doctor friend and you guys can become friends and you could actually let him know what you're doing and maybe he can monitor you. Just a thought.
mikeyg4321Me and my buddy run gear. Lol the doc knows I ran gear before. he's the one who treated my infection I got from pinning in my tricep a few months back. He said if I go trt then my test have to be the same or close to the same everytime. If levels are elevated he has to terminate my script and not treat me anymore. He said its because ethical reason and to not Lose his Dr license and such. Pretty much just saving his ass ofcourse. Which I understand, he's a good guy so I wouldn't wanna get him trouble.
You basically answered your own question to this post.
mikeyg4321Are you saying run short cycles like juiceball said few post Down?
That's not a bad idea.
mikeyg4321He will not let me use gear and have a trt script. So my question was for the guys on trt how do they get around that with their Dr monitoring them.
I am on TRT and been going to the same doctor for the past 15 years. I didn't start using gear until I was 27, but when I did I was straight forward with him. He doesn't supply my TRT script it's cheaper if I get it myself it would cost me more if I go through my insurance. He does monitor me while on and off cycle. Just gotta find the right doctor that's willing to work with you.
mikeyg4321Alright madman I see what you guys are saying. He may be willing to work with me as far ad monitoring goes just not with the script. So after pct I will go from that. Thanks everyone for the help!!!:) really appreciate it!
My doc checked me every 6 month's. So right after labs blast for 10-12 weeks then clean up for the following 12 weeks.
mikeyg4321By clean up you mean just go down to trt dose so you level your test level out to normal range?
That and so your blood work don't look bad.
Yeah then you could do a 6 week blast of short esters and 6 weeks to clean up. Every 6 months would be better. Stick with short esters if you do this!
mikeyg4321Good idea man. Thanks! looks like prop or ace test will be my friends. Still gona try the power pct idea first though. Trt is def last resort if my body doesn't cooperate
If you are on a TRT prescribed dose from a doctor and get blood taken regularly then you decide to blast a cycle and get bloods taken again from your doc I assume he's going to know something's up when he sees your test levels way up there.
mikeyg4321Exactly man, Thats what I'm getting at. Doc said if I take a trt regimen and a lab comes back with levels really high he has to terminate the script and I'm on my own to seek out my own trt.
Worst case scenario if he does terminate your script you could always get some pharma grade TRT dosed gear here which would probably be a lot cheaper than what you're paying unless you have some really good benefits.
mikeyg4321That's how I see it but before I go through those complications of going Dr rx trt. I'm going to try and see if he will give me a pharma pct, clomid, nolva, and hcg. Worst case is as you say, he doesn't give me human grade pct stuff then I resort to treating my trt myself from here.