posted Mon, 07/30/2012 - 08:04
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Confused, sorta, and would like some help
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Here's the deal: I'm seeing on here about blasting and cruising on Test. I think I may have it right, I'd just like input to make sure. Now, if I understand this correctly, when "cruising" I'd be using Test, most likely Test P so I can adjust dosage on the fly, so to speak. And, dosage for a "cruise" is around 300mg/wk for 6-8 wks, no?
As for a "blast", I'd use either Test E, or C with dosage between 500mg - 750mg/wk for 8 wks, correct?
I'm new to this so any and all input would be greatly appreciated. And, as for me, I'm 42, currently using Hyge 4iu 5 on 2 off, between 75mg & 100mg EOD of Test P along with t4.
Thanks in advance!
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I got a BP monitor for $14 on amazon then benchmarked it against my docs nurse and the grocery store machine. The doc wanted me to get a mor e expensive, instead I opted for the cheap and just benchmarked it as long as its consistent.
You know man every body reacts differently. You gotta try diff things and see how YOUR body reacts. I always do a sustanon type blend for a couple reasons. My natural testosterone level is high, I shove in any more than 600mg and in just a few days my nipples get huge and sensitive and I'm crying on the mc Donald's commercials. I stay below 600 and I'm safe. Write your stuff down in a little journal, note any changes you observe whe you drive dosage up or down. First couple times on test and my dog wouldn't even come around me, my hand was on my junk all the time. All good yeah fun but not functional. The goal was gym not 24/7 sex. Go slow. You can ur. It again. Ramp up ramp down. Rather than get into all the anti estrogen stuff, more stuff I'm shoving in, I just back off the t a bit. You'll still get the gains. If your in it to big the Hulk over night then just buy your cemetery plot now. Hey given your age know you blood pressure, not just at any one point, it fluctuates a lot know how it responds. Fluid retention is going drive it. If your a type a like me that drives it more. I finally asked for BP med's and I'm on them now, it's reassuring. High BP and rigorous gym regime spells big problems. A lot bigger than a little high estrogen.
tread-mLove many of your thoughts but I take issue with some. I went into one of those in the high blood pressure thread as a reply to your post and it comes down to your thoughts that bp meds are "reassuring". That may be the best thought on the subject. Bp meds reassure you and basically blind you to the real problems going on in your body. If it reassures you then you sort of don't work as hard to correct it right? This means not only are all the markers and issues that cause your bp to go up still present, they may be getting worse and you don't even know it masking them with bp meds. If bp meds fixed all the things that cause bp to rise it would be a great idea but they have no impact on the predispositions creating high bp. This means I can have high water retention which is very hard on my body, high bf very hard on my body, high cortisol, changes in thyroid and so much more and even the blockers don't address all those problems. Thinking bp meds solved the things that cause bp is like gettin a letter from the IRS saying they are going to take your home and you hide the letter. The fact that they are going to take your home did not change and and the fact that you hid your bp number did not change the fact that all those negatives are still present even. Though you are falsly "reassured".
On a second note as to the comment "a little high estrogen". Unfortunately you categorized it in a way that is not practical. "A little highe estrogen is not the case when you see that water come on and you see the sex drive drop along with wood quality, joints don't feel as good, you're sluggish and overall the cycle or trt is not being as effective. Most people will not have "a little", its usually 100+ when issues arise. A little is 10 or at most 20 points but that's not where you see the negative effect. By the time you see those negative effects you have more than a little rise. So I don't entirely disagree with flaoting test number but I do disagree with it for newer trt candidates as there is far to much to learn about yourself in the first yr or so . If you are bouncing your test numbers all over the place its going to be very difficult. To figure out everything you need to learn. Speaking of effect of stable test levels, flucuation in gh and igf-1, thyroid effect, estro and shbg effect and vulnerability, libido, prostate swelling and the list goes on. For me finding stability is key and certainly for a new user. I think my point is to minimize the impact "a little estro" has on the body is a mistake. Estrogen can have the most negative impact when compared to any other hormone in tthe cause and effect occurance we are creating. Every action has a reaction. That reaction is now an action that causes reaction and so on. Jus variation in opinions here I love what you've done with your own look but I'd also love to see you find a place where you could drop the bp meds having naturally controlled bp, that is truly "reassuring" and for realistic reasons.
tread-mI don't really like your thoughts here and I think while you're kinda getting closer you don't really quite have it down in understanding. Let me sort of take them in order for you and keep in mind, there are 100 different things to learn on your own with your own body.
1. "Most likely be using test or test p in the cruise to adjust". Well you would definately be using test or you're not cruising at all. As to the specific test its a very individual thing. Some will find with eod prop they are more prone to breakouts than in a more stable ed prop his at half dose. This of course means you can go forever shooting ed or eod cruising. That is not the perfect scenario. For many and they opt for a C or E so as to only need 1 or 2 weekly shots and have less possibility fro breakouts for many. As for myself, I use prop mostly and that might even mean a very small hit of long ester test in a couple of the weekly shots for additional stability. That's actually getting a little more complicated for the newly found B&C candidate though. These things have to be used and then roadmapped through bloods to make sure you have the right dose for the desired numbers. For me that would mean be around 800-1000 in cruising test levels. Others may prefer 500 so again, a personal thing.
2. As far as how long for cruise and how long for blast, many variable there as well and that begins with what compounds you are using and your personal desires from the compounds and their use. So for example, if you call your blast an 8 weeker, you would of course want that specific blast to be short esters only. That might mean elevated dose of test p or test p with npp or test p with var or another fast acting oral. To jump from short ester test to long and only run it 8 weeks is a mistake, not enough time to benefit from . You also have to learn how to do that. I would suggest you continue the short ester for 4 weeks once you begin a long giving it time to kick on the long side, otherwise you are going to test crash for a period of time, not happy times. Duration of the blast and cruise has to do with proper use coupled with desire in goals. If for example you are simply anti-aging and want a little extra muscle maybe, you would consider only one cycle a yr. That might mean you cruise as much as 40 weeks out of the yr. If your goals are more muscle with anti-aging you may want 2 cycles a yr, etc. This means in the second scenario you may choose to cruise for 14 weeks at a time then run a 12 week cycle back to cruise for 14 and so on. Given your current understanding I would post up your proposed cycle each time for a while so we can help with it as you learn the ropes. It gets more and more complicated as you advance in use, if you do, so having good friends here to help you with our mistakes will benefit you.
As to the current cruise I might say this. Drop hgh use to 2/3 iu's ed in your cruise here and save the ramp up with hgh for the actual blast (cycle). That also means you drop the T-4 use until cycle as well. Once you do begin the cycle you will want to ramp up hgh use 1 iu weekly going into cycle to achieve your desired hgh blast. Use by week 2 maybe of cycle. That would re-introduce T-4 at 10 mcg's per iu of hgh. From there I would roadmap your T-4 use with bloods first cycle at least a couple times. This will tell you your actual need in T-4 vs the initial guess. If running the protocol of T-4 and your thyroid is elevated with lower TSH that will indicate T-4 is too high in use. If T-4 is low and TSH is higher then you have to move up slowly in T-4 dose etc.
All of this takes time to learn your personal need in everything and learn how to feel the need but bloods to roadmap are vital in these ealry personal days of use. Hrt is for life so you need to be certain of your use and and make sure you have all the values in hormone right. Estrogen will be your biggest battle so we have to get you very familiar with many things not limited to but including, water intake, proper salt intake and AI use. All of this will take time and patience. If you ever feel the need to PM with questions I'm happy to help. Definately put up your proposed cycles for critique as you roll if not talking through PM with someone experienced in all above.
Cruising is your maintenance dose without being on cycle. Test e/cyp requires less injections when cruising. Blast is your cycle.