posted Thu, 06/05/2014 - 15:35
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Hey guys , been on Trt since March , had <200 lvl and since being scripted cyp .10ml ed it got up to 900s. Dr. Was pleased and said to maintain this protocol.My question is that I'm quite tired of pinning ed and was wondering if you guys got tired and switched to Bi weekly or some other schedule. I'm tempted to do Sunday morning and Wednesday noon. Hcg is m w f and estro was good so no AI . I'm new here so I'm looking to learn and read as much as I can. Ultimately I want to blast and cruise working up to a max 400mg a week. Any advice?
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Well went and got my bloids done. Test was way too high at 1479 for my Dr.to be happy with so im now adjusted to .30 ml 2 x a week . Free test was 57 and estro was up in the 400's somewhere so she rx'd me 2 weeks of arimidex eod. 3 mths and we do bloids again
I've been on TRT since I was 23, and it's been around 9 years now. I was prescribed 200mg a week of test cyp. I didn't know much at the time, so I followed that protocol. I felt the peaks and valleys all the time. After reading forums I switched to twice a week, so .5ml or 100mg twice a week. Wow what a difference. I have felt great all the time since that stabilized my blood levels much better. I don't see much benefit to doing anymore than that, and you will likely start to hate pinning doing it the way you are now. Also as far as syringes you might as well throw your RX away. It's much more cost effective to buy them yourself. You can get a box of 100 for about $20. You should go with 23gauge 1in or 1 1/2in. 3ml. Easy for drWing the oil, and easy injecting. Look under the accessories tab for a source for those. Hope this helps you to some degree. Any other questions feel free to ask away.
Thanks Mag . Bloods are this week for me as well as a host of questions next week when i get my results. I ran a couple of high weeks at 100 split twice eeekly on my own and have no complaints. I went back to the prescribed dose just to see what the labs show. I just want a good steady dose to compliment my fiet snd training
Totally understand. Whatever dose ends up putting your numbers in a good spot you will find it most convenient to do two shots a week split about 3.5 days apart...doesn't gave to be exact. I have stuck with Thursday and Sunday. Please post your bloods up to get advice from the vets here. Good luck man
Thanks Mag. At the risk of sounding "old" , how do i post bloods? Cell pic?
Daily pinning of a cyp ester is just not necessary IMHO. Natural test levels vary drastically during every day and from day to day. Having minor variations with less frequent injections will not change the way you feel, unless due to the placebo effect.
How do you even measure those minuscule dosages? Are you using insulin syringes? If so you are not getting the product deep enough into the muscle.
Once a week is fine. Twice a week is borderline pointless.
The only reason I can think your MD may be doing this is estrogen control. But estrogen problems are rare at these doses regardless of the injection schedule.
EDIT: After thinking about this I have become suspicious of your claim that your Endo prescribed this schedule.
First, he/she would not prescribe a dosage that cannot be measured in a normal syringe.
Second, there is far too much additional risk involved in daily versus weekly injections for whatever minuscule additional benefit might. be gained. Six additional injections is six more chances for infection, punctured veins, scaring, etc.
Not trying to call you out, but things don't add up.
BTW check my avatar pic . Just updated. I think you are smart enough to figure out what it says. Sorry I couldn't figure out how to get it into my pics
Wheels , First of all , that's the prescribed dosage in a BD 1 ml. Syringe which is 5/8x 27g graduated in .10 increments. Second of all, why the fuck would I want to inject such a long esterd product everyday? I know quite well I could shoot 400mg of test on a Sunday ,Wednesday schedule if I was running a cycle. I have stated what she prescribed so you can "call me out " if it makes you feel better but when I post a pic of the prescription label you sir will be the one called out. No infections yet .
BD 27 ga 1 ml with a 5/8 needle is an insulin syringe.
No MD would prescribe you 5/8" 27 gage pins to shoot Test Cyp. They are not long enough, and it's a bitch to push pharmacy grade product through that small a needle. You need a 1-1/2" needle for glute injection, which is the only prescribed location.
You said it best: "Why the fuck would I want to inject such a long estered product every day?" That statement would be best addressed to any MD incompetent to suggest such a thing.
If your MD really did prescribe you .1 ml Test Cyp daily using 27 gage 5/8 needles, report her to your State's Medical Board for incompetence--seriously.
If you already knew all this about pinning schedules and esters, WTF was the point of your post?
The point of the post was to guage what others were doing since I found it strange pinning ed. It did however get me to around 900 total test from sub 200.
An insulin pin is typically 31g with an 8mm or 5/16 needle if you are familiar with super fine. Which I am.
I pin my quads and sometimes but rarely Delts. I'm lean so the muscle isn't too far away.
I'll be seeing the Dr.soon so naturally there are some questions to be answered.
Do some research on esters. Their purpose is to extend the half life of a compound, so you don't have to take it as often. Cyp can be pinned once a week. You can keep your levels a bit more stable by pinning it twice a week. That is how 99% of the medical community prescribes it.
Yes ,I understand somewhat about esters. Prop being a short ester and cyp and ethanate being long esters. Sustanon having a bunch of esters designed to carry the test along but being harder to control the test blood level . I questioned the doctor and the answer I got was small amounts ed will stabilize the level and you will also be able the effects positive and negative on your body, if any. It is my understanding that the highs and lows are no good.
It's kind of like taking 1/4 of a pain pill every hour as opposed to taking one every four. Can you do it, sure, but it's unnecessary due to it's half life and it's a waste of time. ED pinning causes LOTS of scar tissue and that alone should override ED pinning. There are lots of blood level calculators out there and they show that twice a week is all you need to keep a solid blood level.
What your saying makes sense to me . Gotta go back in a couple weeks for bloods then the appt. A week later. Should be a good discussion
Holy pins batman, this is the 1st time I heard an endo prescribing ed shots for trt replacement. The norm is 1 every 2 weeks or 1 a week not ed. Also most of the guys that get put on trt after a month or 2 being on are not talking about blasting and cruising. I'm sorry to sound anal but I just have a hard time believing it. because of that I am out.
I don't get it. I mentioned blast and cruise and you get upset? I don't understand what there is to be sceptical about. I've been wanting to run gear since I was 17 but never did. Finally ,I find a Doc willing to do TRT which puts some pharma Watson in my hands and boom ....... I've got gear.I could be like half these guys , log into a site order a bunch of shit I have no experience with and fuck myself up. Maybe you didn't read it correctly but I think "ultimately" blast and cruise was what I said. Meaning some day.I've been going to one of the biggest gyms on the east coast for like 20 years now so I do know a little terminology and a shit ton of guys blasting and cruising.
Being as the dose is so miniscule I would be more inclined to pin Sub-q. Easily doable ED if required. However having said that i'd still be more inclined to pin twice weekly. I would still go sub-q if the shot was around .25ml @ 250mg/ml that would roughly equate to .5ml / 125mg p.w. which is the general TRT dose give or take a little either side.
Its actually 200mg cyp. There's a good thread by Viking on abscess surgery.
telling someone to pin an oil based product sub-q is terrible. Have you done any research around here on the guys that have done it and ended up with absesses requiring surgery? have you also googled it and saw the results?
I asked her why so much and she stated that she wanted a steady level without peaks and valleys. I'm going for bloods in 3wks. Interested to see what they result in. It is a very small daily dose
Use the reply button top right corner brotha.
The ed pinning tiny amounts is like the ultimate blood level stability. Lol. But also pointless. Its silly. Twice a week or every 3 days would be just as good. Promise.
Thanks bird bear , I hate pinning ed
I'm no TRT guru or am I on trt, but most guys pin test cyp for trt once or twice a week sometimes once every 2 weeks. 2x a week would keep bloods level. Seems like doc is overdoing it, may as well be pinning test prop. I'm sure someone will chime in with experience and also you can click on forums and look into the trt threads, tons of info for you there.