posted Sun, 11/08/2015 - 01:23
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It's no secret I'm sick of the liberal progressive views in america but I'm just wondering if I'm the only sane person in america that wonders why we would even consider Trans gender men in our daughters locker rooms. Or ( freaks ) as I prefer to call them. I wonder how this is even in discussion ya know ?
Am I the only person who thinks things are wayyyyyy out control ?
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AnonCharlie sheen has positive thoughts on this topic..
I m in the grey of this with my thoughts being if the person is a negative arsehole and gives nothing back in the way they carry themselves..then fuk them..all the rest are cool
Oh and I thought bigotry was against the rules.
Thanks willy for starting a shit show. Think u did it on purpose. I knew I should have never opened my mouth. To late
Forget that, I am glad he did. Even I had to take a step back and look at my own bias when Greg told his story. It made me look at my own children and ask that question, "Do you love them?" I do and I will no matter who they decide to love or what gender they identify with. Thanks Greg for stepping up to the plate with a situation that none of us could ever prepare for and showing us how great parents handle it.
I am also. It's a very very touchy subject. And like I said to Greg at the end. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks. You live your life as enjoyfull as you want. Fuck society. In the end you have nonthing but your family. And that's what means the most. Hard subject to talk about.
X2 really does stop and make you think about things. Either way my son is my son no matter what.
Do you know the difference between transgender and transsexual? Or even know there is a difference?
I'd hate to know your opinion on gay people.
Gay people have opions also. Just alot of opions also
There are a lot of people that feel the same way as Willy, it's gonna take time for the conservative god fearing folks to open their minds to the idea that gay and transgender is OK.
Personally, I think the planet is over crowded and the more GLBTG people in the world the better.
I'm also convinced that these are not the people we need to protect our kids from.
Predators like to blend in, and look like teachers, coaches, uncles, and unfortunately all to often fathers.
That's pretty much a lot of the points I made, doesn't matter what you like or who you love. Some gay people can be some of the most nice and helpful friends. And so can straight people. Sexual preference doesn't determine the quality of human being in someone. And my second large point you touched on at the end. Opening up restrooms and other facilities to people who feel like women is asking for serious trouble. Like I said below what would stop a predator from blending in if hr knew all he has to do is safe he is a women and now he has your daughter in a restroom somewhere. Predators blend in to well most of the time. The sexual child abuse goes on for years even decades before it comes out sometimes. Making this legal would endanger a lot of kids unnecessarily not to mention women in general. Your at your most vulnersble pants down at ankles, or in the shower naked, or in the middle of changing.And it could hurt transgender people as well. When kids started getting prayed on because of shared facilities people are going to retaliate against transgender people even if they had nothing to do with it. Which would be the case 99% of the time. But because now some predators saw the opportunity to exploit the transgender community would have to pay for it. Kinda like after 9/11 all kinds of murders and hate crimes took place against middle eastern people and their business which majority weren't from afghanistan. When people get outragednand want revenge or justice as they say, anyone who fits the description is fair game.
Wow. You're the freak man.
What a dick.
Let me guess you're gonna be corrupt and neg me for being against your hateful opinion?
I just watched part one of this documentary series. I suggest everyone check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdb4XGVTHkE
In case you didnt know....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpiatcVQzOo
I havnt even read the reply. But those say they were born that way. Bullshit. It's fucking shitty parents that did it. Now we have to live with them and there shitty guidance also. As a whole we are fucked. Social media is making parents even worse
Come on dude that is bullshit, but seeing your avatar it is not unexpected. Think back, every single one of us can remember as far back as Kindergarten or first grade that one or two of the other little boys was different. At the time we couldn't figure out what it was but as we aged we realized they were gay and over time they came out as such. Females for me were a little tougher to read but whatever, my point is they are born that way and we know it.
Now just as there are most of us born completely straight, or completely gay, there are also others that are attracted to both or that identify with the opposite gender. It is nature.
I tried to stay away from this topic but laughing at the same time. No hard feelings. As for my avatar I will say again. I could care less about a flag. I just love seeing people get all work up over nonthing. The flag deal is over. The ones who didn't like it, won. Carry on. But for this yound boy or young woman turning opposites is in my opion there parents fault. As we grow into this bigger social media world there will be more bc its okay by facebooks standards. All I'm saying its bullshit not a choice. Oh and trust me if I was such a rebel as my avatar shows I wouldn't even be discussing this. For all who are on this train. Congrats. For who or not. There not shit we can do about it. So stay straight my fellow MEN or suck a dick you wish you never had. This topic can be like beating a dead horse no one wins but the weave manufactures
You are so fuckin' ignorant it makes my head hurt. Even using your own uneducated, googlized logic, emotional trauma is the cause. Somehow if a child is molested or raped in the school locker room for e.g., or traumatized by any other countless situations out of the parents control, it's still somehow the parents fault.
Personal Computers weren't even invented when I got married. My kid was 6 when facebook started, which was well after he started acting "boyish".
I rarely look at facebook, I am a libertarian, extremely conservative (not a religious conservative). And I believe that for human equality there must be tolerance, empathy, understanding, and compassion. Things you completely lack.
You spout off ignorant observations, you have no real experience or basis for your comments. This I can blame on your parents because they obviously didn't teach you how to learn to become better than them.
Like the OP, you are a product of the media you claim to disdain. you read a headline, or hear a news blip about the court ruling for transgender rights and the media's headline grabbing spin on schools being forced to allow transgender students to use the restroom of their choice.
The OP without any personal knowledge, understanding, or research, painted the most bizarre, untasteful, image of a man entering a little childs restroom. You, and many like you and him, picked up the banner and tweeted, blogged, and facebooked it across the nation. Not one of you took pause to think it through. Not one of you has personal experience in the matter. Not one of you talked to a school official about it. Not one of you read the DOE's rules and guidelines on the matter.
I sure hope to hell you consider never having kids.
Wow. Sorry to get you so pissed off. I have a child. Which has almost completed college. And with a girl that has two children. Now do you think I act like thisin ffront of them? Fuck no. So your ignorant comment is bullshit. Do you know me? I'm I entitled to my opinion? Maybe not educated as much as you on proper forum writing. Take a breath brother. I make jokes and can have a heart also. Didn't know this off topic forum could get so touching. But your ending line at me.
Guess what? YOU shouldnt of ever had kids. Man up
Tit for tat.
I am the parent of a transgender child. And you insist on somehow blaming me for my child's sexual orientation as if it was something I or my wife did or failed to do.
And I shouldn't be offended?
And, you are clearly misguided in your beliefs. You feign tolerance, but you're not. Even in this post above, you admit to hiding your prejudicial bias from your kids (your significant other's kids). Why would you do that? -that's a rhetorical question, I know why.
Oh I got that one. Well I don't show any child howbto hate maybe you you shouldn't show them how to be gay and open. Again it's all just a bullshit debate. Dislike me if you want. I'll sleep good tonight and send you a six pack tmrw. Or wine. I like wine sometimes too
Sounds like a plan.
I'll turn back 60 years of progress and tell my kid (should I call him/her it?) to stay in the closet.
And to keep it from being depressed and suicidal, I'll have it prescribed a cocktail of mind numbing antidepressants. And as a good parent, I'll just let it know not to expect too much out of life. Just get accustomed to being a freak and learn to hide it like all the other freaks.
It's not, you made it personal.
Personal it is. I tried to sorry for your luck. Take care brother. I'm sure you are a good husband and father.
Not being a dick. When did you realize this. Again just a question. And you are a man and marries to a woman? Again not being a dick. I'm no Dr. Phil. But there is a reason this stuff happens. There is a reason
Obviously there is a reason and science is hinting at a "gay gene" but nothing definitive yet.
Also, there is a difference between sex (bodyparts) and gender, which is of the mind.
And yes, I am a 100% man married to a 100% woman.
Clues were very subtle. It was easier to identify my nephew as being gay when he was 5 than it was to distinguish "male like behavior" from "tomboy behavior" from a prepubescent girl. But after hours of counseling with him, looking through old pictures and videos, things started to make sense.
Thick or thin, I'll support my boy. But it is not easy to lose my little girl.
I was concerned about my sons safety in school when he walks into the boy's locker room and restrooms at school.
I've spoken to the school and other parents. NO ONE wants to have any students feel uncomfortable. Staggered shower times and private changing booths (like you see in a clothing store) were provided. My sons fellow classmates don't give it a second thought and support him, the other parents support us or are indifferent.
The ones who I find are unsupportive are the ones who are misinformed, uninformed, or bigoted.
Hey my man. I meant no harm what so ever. It's a touchy subject. I'm sure you are and are doing the best you can for your children and family. I apologize if at any time you took offense. All I'm going close with is keep them safe. Never meant to pick you out. And again a flag is a flag and it will bring more stupid debates. Not meaning this one
I appreciate that.
And, it may come as a surprise, I appreciate the history of the flag as being part of who we are/were as Americans. I would not want to see it disappear any more than I would want to see "in god we trust" stricken from our money. (And this is coming from a New England Yankee).
Haha. Good shit my man. Never meant any harm. Take care of you and and your loved ones that's all that matters
I was reading somewhere that from around the age 3-4 your sexual preference has been decided whether you are attracted to women or men. I'm sure environmental factors can play a role as nyou age. But from I read supports your opinion that your born to be attracted to what you are regardless of what genitals one has. And I remember back as a kid there was a kid he was different never cared for sports or really being competitive got picked on for various things and he came out as gay in high school. I feel like who cares what someone likes if you can find true happiness in this life more power to you. But I don't think if you have a penis its ok to go pee in a woman's restroom, with my wife or daughter. I don't care what you identify with there are toilets in men's bathrooms. They can squat with their penis and piss if they wish. Its not always possible to make gender neutral bathrooms. Such as Walmart or major chains where you have hundreds of people in the store at once. Or a school, where large restrooms are needed. On the other hand if they identify as a woman and they get the surgery and cut their dick off then ok you have a vagina now go pee with the women. Don't have to worry about the safety of my girls as much. As compared to some pervet saying he identifys as a woman just to watch touch or rape girls when there at one of there most vulnerable moments on the toilet pants down. Either totally commit to being a woman and piss or shower where you want. Or indentify as a woman keep your penis and piss with men and use men locker rooms. I'll be damned if a guy (teenager) is allowed to go into my daughters locker room because he says he feels he is a women or even a grown man if she ever wants to hit the gym. That won't fly with me, but in my area of the country I don't see that flying anyway but you never know. I'm all about finding happiness whatever floats your boat fine. But people shouldn't be made uncomfortable because you want to piss and be naked with the opposite sex you say you are. Penis removed no problem your a woman now don't come in the mens rooms. I don't consider Bruce a woman, I'll call him Kaitlin when he commits and becomes a woman. He's just a drag queen. If you have a penis your a man regardless of how you dress or sexual habits. That's how I see it and govt. If you get your penis removed and get arrested or do prison time you go to women's prison not men's.
I don't want to say they. But yes they wait till highschool to come out bc they can not take the abuse anymore. Again parenting is the answer but its to late as a generation bc kids are having babies. I love paying taxes. For there diapers and there children's. Ha
I hear what you are saying and it made me think. You know I don't recall ever hearing about a cross dressing rapist or cross dressing pedophile for that matter, not that they don't exist, just saying of all the crazy shit we hear on a daily basis I don't recall ever hearing that.
I'm sure its not common place for the ordinary pedo and I'm sure its happened before. I kinda feel its a uncessary risk to take opening up public facilities to anyone who feels a certain way. There would be nothing to stop me or anyone saying I'm a woman and go shower with some guys wives in the locker room. Granted I feel a majority 99% of transgenders are normal law abiding citizens so to say. I feel it opens Pandoras box to let men and women in each others mass bathrooms and lockers. I don't want my daughter to have to change for PE and see a penis. Or shower at the YMCA and have a penis in there because he says he's a woman. I don't think transgender people are bad people in anyway they are living the way that makes them happy. It just opens up a can of worms that can't be closed sharing rooms. A normal pedo (if there ever was such a thing sick fucks) may step up his attacks if he knows he has open access to young girls by saying he is a women or even gaining their trust that way. It would make it way to easy for pedos or just plain perverts to go see some ass and tits by a few simple words. I feel I'm a woman you have to let me go in their its the law now etc. Its a recipe for disaster if that happens
I can blame your parents for your ignorance, but I can't blame them for your sexual identity.
So tell me where I went wrong.
Was it my constant support and love?
The amount of time I spent with my kids on outings, sports, travel, after school activities, and in scouts?
My ability to provide a safe environment and good schools?
My willingness to educate myself on the matter?
The numerous doctors I consulted? The years of counseling I paid for?
The support groups I sat through?
Was I just not man enough watching the emotional pain my son was having. Or was it because I forgot to read the chapter "How not to raise a transgender or gay" in the parental guide the hospital gave me when I took the kid home for the first time?
Please enlighten me.
Didn't mean to hit a nerve. All I meant was if your born with a dick than you are a man. Born with a vagina you are born a female. Plan and simple. This is a confusing topic for sure. But why do people make it confusing on them self's. No there isn't a book but there's reality. Didn't mean to tinngle your toes. Everyone can have an opinion or there outlook I just choose to say bullshit
You make it sound like this is a preferred choice, or even a choice at all.
So you think that gays and transgenders should go back into the closet where they belong so we don't have to deal with them.
Why stop there? Why not put those suffering with Down syndrome back behind the walls of mental institutions so we don't have to deal with them as well.
Wow. Down syndrome is totally different. They were born that way. Again born that way. If say I was to have a child now with a girl my age our possibility of having a syndrome baby is high. I would prefer not to. But you are born a male or female. Yes it's good that the USA allows options but it makes for fucked up ones. I love everybody. If you got a dick your tucking I'll still love you. Just don't smack me on the ass and tell me I'm wrong your right
Opions not options. Sorry
Take a moment and watch this.
It'll give you a laugh and something to think about.
Don't be the weatherman.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/29/john-oliver-transgender-rights_...
I learned along time ago to not hit links. But good shit bro. I love a good half ass debate once in awhile. No disrepect
So very true.
So what about gays? They are not born that way? It's a life choice for them correct?
Well yes its a choice they have to handle for the rest of there life. Somewhere in the line of being raised something tramatic happend. For instist how many strippers do youknow that the pole that havnt been malusted. Again I don't care what people do. But there is a reason for ones actions. And I have my opion. And if your gay I would probably by you a drink. Just don't push that on me or anyone else.
pmsl, you have a very strange way of thinking, strippers now strip because they were molested? wtf? lol, i know a heap of strippers, none have been molested, some are single mothers struggling to make ends meat and pay the bills, some are just happy to make easy money showing off their bodies.
Good girls from good family's trying to pay there way thru college. Trust me I know a few good guys that paid for the books. The old saying. And this goes with everything. You buy them a mule to get to school on, you buy them them the books they need. What do they do?.. They stand on the books and fuck the mule
Shit bud over in new Orleans I've been to all the strip clubs on bourbon street (before i got married) you have strippers that make like 200k+ a year. Not all course, but from what I'm told 80grand a year is common. I've been to magic city to and you see strippers driving fucking Bentleys and shit. They straight up say its for the money no other job is gonna pay hundreds a night mostly tax free all tip based jobs only claim for taxes which would only be like $60 on a 8 hour shift you have to claim. Some strippers make a killing especially in new Orleans and atl with all the rappers and record companies. And I don't see strippers as women with low self esteem. In my opinion it takes a shit load of self esteem to get basically naked and dance for the entertainment of strangers. Basically putting your crotch in peoples faces. I don't think I could do it.
My nephew is openly gay and never suffered an emotional trauma or molestation. He's from a good well-to-do, loving family with four kids, all graduated college. When he was very young (like around 5 years old), most of us suspected he probably was gay.
My son was always uncomfortable being "a little girl" even before he knew what sexual identity was. At about 11 he said he was a boy, and then he said he was gay. Around 13 he defined himself as a boy and not gay. At 14 he was able to identify as being transgender.
Looking back I can see the struggle he had trying to find the words that would help him define himself.
He was not molested and there were behavioral clues that started before "sexual awareness"
I have personal experiences that support the science that this is not a life choice. (Who would choose to carry that cross?)
http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html
Its not a choice its how you were made, regardless of genitals. As you said and I said about before reading your post sexual preference is there around 3 years old even though sexual maturity hasn't been reached. No one has the right to tell someone what they should be attracted to. Its not a option for anyone even oneself. You are drawn to what you like. If someone can find true happiness in this life man or woman. Good who cares if people don't like it its not their life to live and they don't have to walk in their shoes.
And again media making everyone beleive. It simply doesn't work like that. It comes from how you were raised. I'm out on this. You have your opions I have mine. If I would ever see you or anyone else that has the outlook I'll buy.
Doesn't sound like it.
Let's say, for arguments sake, that they could do a brain transplant to save you from dieing from a terminal injury... The only body available was female. When you woke up from the surgery, are you male, or female?
I don't know your age but for me I hope I'm long gone before that would ever happen. I'm all about giving and helping but that's gonna be awhile if they ever did that. Shit they still have the founder of Disney frozen and haven't thawed him out yet.
I'm 56 and this is a thought experiment.
You strongly identify as male. But you have a female body.
I see you as female. You identify yourself as male.
Who trumps this argument?
Me and society that sees you as female?
Or do you, because you know in your gut that you are male.