+ 2 Trying gear for the first time
Hello,
I'm mid-30s male. I'm not new to gym or fitness really. I used to train pretty hard and regularly (ex-con). I fell off the bandwagon, but I'm back on. I joke that I was on a 3 year bulking cycle.
So now, I'm new to gear. I wanted to try the TRT route, but it's expensive. I'll still be utilizing them, but I want to see if my primary doctor will at least order labs, not the TRT doctor. My primary doctor said insurance wouldn't cover it.... But the testosterone can be relatively inexpensive at the pharmacy.
I got my 200 mg/mL vial, and started pinning 0.4 mL E3D. I swear I could feel the effects after just a couple of days. Now I'm 2 weeks in, and have added a bit more, going to do 0.9 E3D and keep it like that while adding some anavar 25 mg ED for a couple of weeks, then move up to 50 mg ED. I have plenty of AI (maybe too much?) but no sides yet.
OMG, I feel like a changed man! Pumps are great, I feel good, I have energy! I look forward to working out, and I only want to eat clean food. My friend thinks I might be enjoying it too much (he's afraid I'll get hooked), but it might not be the worst thing to get hooked on? I love pinning - like the act itself.
I'm sort of in the mind of, we have performance enhancing drugs, why the hell don't we utilize them in people who are willing to take the risk?
Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts. I'm glad I jumped in, but also waited for my 30s.
| mg Test C/wk | mg Anavar/day | |
|---|---|---|
| Week 1 | 200 | 0 |
| Week 2 | 300 | 0 |
| Week 3 | 420 | 25 |
| Week 4 | 420 | 25 |
| Week 5 | 420 | 50 |
| Week 6 | 420 | 50 |
| Week 7 | 360 | 50 |
| Week 8 | 300 | 25 |
| Week 9, begin to cruise | 250 | 25 |
| Week 10 on - cruise | 200 | 0 |
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He guys, not new to eroids but never joined before....
I'm starting up again after taking like a 3 year break, Just got some test p and mast p....gonna run one bottle of test p then test p and mast p together for 2 bottles while I'm thinking about if I really wanna jump back on the tren crazy train....I just do calisthenics (ex c) I shred very quickly. Anyway what's up fellas
RustyhookerYou dont know you have low t so cruise is odd. No blood tests. Kinda jumpin in pool.
I love pinning - like the act itself.
Trading one pin for another....hooked
Got bloods done before all of this to get in TRT. I was on the lower end of normal, like 450 total and 50 free. Still debating about the TRT thing... I will say that the feeling I have is great though, so maybe TRT will stay?
Rustyhooker450 isnt low. Someones rippin ya off.
I suppose I just wanted to get on T then lol
RustyhookerAt 450 though youre gonna pin just to pin. Get test much higher you get heart issues. At least get real blood testing as you shorten lifes expectancy
Actually, thank you for the information and insight. I'm entertaining the idea of just running a cycle or two...
Bloods will be done during cruise to determine levels. It seems like the mid-700 is where I've seen a sweet spot with people.
RustyhookerCool cool! Hung low and my forums have list of tests and testing. Welcome to eroids!
Click on anyones avatar and you can read their forums etc
Insurance should cover test injections if you actually have low T.
No reason to taper down. Tapering up is fine to help with overcoming the effects of myostatin but tapering down just diminishes the cycle. I wouldn't bother with the anavar at this time.
Little tidbits of info is nice to know. Thank you. I'm feeling an amazing pump at the gym now. It's AMAZING!!
450ng/dl isn't going to qualify you for low T. Only a TRT clinic will put you on test with that high of a level.
Definitely was a TRT clinic. I'll say this over the course of my precious 2 week: I sweat less (by about 40% less), I have more energy, I feel good. The sweating less caught me by surprise. I'm usually a ridiculously heavy sweater, and this helped!
If it's your first cycle don't add anavar, your androgen receptors are still fresh. testosterone is all your need. Save the anavar for some later cycles down the road.
PropheticWookieIt's nice to see that this is a conscious decision. Pay attention to quality nutrition and start taking E2 preparations.
CloUSMCI can always tell the maturity factor of a 35 year old vs a 23 year old starting their first cycle. So you are definitely doing it right at 35ish. Thank god. I wish I would have waited until 35 which I am 35 now. Yup if you get itchy nips or sharp pains then start using Ai. Keep your diet in check you’ll be fine bro. Good luck.
This is true. With age comes wisdom or at least it should come. Lol unfortunately for some it never came.
I appreciate the kind words! I'm super stoked because I had such a great workout today, and I can't wait for my workout tomorrow.
I feel like my diet is really good. I need to shred fat. Looking forward to this journey!
I'll clarify, I have AI on hand, but wanted to wait for E2 symptoms before starting.
If you wait for estro symptoms, you waited too long. Smart cycling is being proactive not reactive.
The AI is ready, but I've heard some people don't need it at levels below 500-600 mg/wk?
Doctor said not to take meds until symptoms appear. It seems that some like to start right away, and some start after effects start?
Thing is you don't want to use an AI if you don't need it so I disagree with the thought by some to use before symptoms occur. We have to understand that some estrogen is necessary for growth through various pathways. Too many times I see folks trying to totally eliminate E2. And yes you are correct some people such as myself don't need an AI below 500mg week. Even at 500mg I'm good. Personally I've never used an AI but eventually I probably will need to use. I would definitely get bloods few weeks into cycle and evaluate from there. Good luck
Start low dose ai week 4 and get bloods a week or two after starting AI to adjust dose or get bloods at week 4 and see where estro is at start AI if needed. Your pyramiding doses is going to make stable bloodwork somewhat of an issue. You are doing a short cycle so just start off with the max dose of test you plan to take for entire cycle to simplify things. Pyramiding a simple cycle like that is old school when we didn't know any better.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/first-cycle-when-to...
Thank you for the information. I wanted to do a cycle increasing the doses insuring nothing crazy happens.
I could extend the cycle, I just wanted my blood levels to be okay when I get bloods ran for the TRT clinic.
PropheticWookieI would have passed a better analysis in order to see what indicator and from this already calculate the dose.
I'm curious how to do this? I thought people responded differently to different amounts of T?
PropheticWookieSo I write, you take an analysis for e2 every two weeks and select the dose of the drug.