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well boys i did it, dropped my weight from 230 overweight as fuck, to a somewhat lean 200lb even at 14%, all in preparation for my first ‘cycle’ which will just be test, sust 350 to be exact because it was given to me, anyways i train 7 days a week and my diet is on point 2500-2750 cal a day, and no less than 225 protein, ideally i consume closer to 250… anyways i do my first pin tomorrow, since it’s sust with all the diff esters i’ll be pinning every 3rd day .75ml which comes out to about 525mg every 6 days
male/30
6’1
200.4lbs
16.5in arms
34 inch waist
benching 270 for 3 reps
any input is welcome! you guys have been the biggest help to me there is such a plethora of knowledge on this site and i’m thankful to have found this forum!
edit: i guess since i’ve posted now i’ll update my profile here this evening
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Bud training 7 times a week is just too much - 5 days a week is plenty. You need at least 2 full rest days in there to allow your body to grow properly and the muscle to have a break otherwise sooner or later you will get an injury and pal - You do NOT want an injury. Muscles become sore over time because of micro tears that get larger and larger when they don't have adequate rest. Then ping you have an injury that you have to allow to recover which can take months and months to repair depending on the severity.
Absolute truth, am headed into a three day weekend tonight and I pushed back to back 4-day routines so that I could take two days in a row off (I do the 4-on/1-off) plus 30-minutes on the treadmill every night and I hurt all over... more, I am just 'flat' no drive, no pumps even, just going through motions. I have progressed a bit, but not like wanting to. Add 500 calorie deficit daily before cardio and I am knackered! A body needs a rest, and mine is telling me that if I don't give it, then it will make me!
I find myself doing the same thing. Always pulling workouts to the left, even when I haven’t been sleeping well and working a lot. Thinking, “well if I do it now, I won’t have to do it later”. This is especially problematic as we age, not getting sufficient recovery. After a while I end up straining a tendon or some other joint discomfort that sucks to try to work through. Better to skip the occasional workout than to add in extra.
I'm chllin' with a cuppa' coffee, wife nearby and already played with the rabbits. Will have two sessions on the tanning bed, hot bath and catching up on letters not written, and this is just the first of two days planned. R&R. I've been at it hard since March and while progress is very good, there is a toll. The rest is earned and honestly, this entire thread is helping me to not only feel good about it, but it is giving me an understanding too, that it is part of the program and needed.
sounds peaceful
so to be more specific 2 of those days i guess you could call ‘off’ or ‘rest’ days i take it easy i do a little bit of the seated bicycle and core and then 1 day for just shoulders traps and forearms
chest/tri day one
bi/back day 2
‘rest day’ with 5-6miles seated bike and core day 3
then legs day 4
shoulders/traps/forearms day 5
At the end of the day bud you know how your body responds to training, but a rest day is supposed to be a day of rest. Restoring energy in muscles, letting your CNS recover, letting tendons try to catch up at the rate of new muscle growth. Doing 6 miles on a stationary bike is not rest - its still expending valuable calories needed to assist protein synthesis and its taxing your cardio vascular system which still gets worked during training. I speak from experience here as I once decided on my rest days I would do 45 minutes of brisk walking and all that happened was the next day when I was supposed to feel fresh and alert I still felt tired and nowhere near fully rested to attack the weights at 100% again. I know how eager and excited you become on your first cycle but I cannot get across just how important proper resting is too.
after reading through you guys talking about it and it all making perfect sense i will be taking everyone’s advice, maybe a 3 on 1 off and if i feel i need to up the ante i will try 4 on 1 off but thanks for sharing
I train EOD, meaning a rest day in between each session. It can be hard to get use to at first but I've found it best to be able to attack the weight at absolute maximum force in the next session. On those days in between you are allowing yourself to fully replenish with food and hydration and with all your supps. 2 on and 1 off is still good but on the second session sometimes they can be hit and miss in terms of progression as you can't apply all the force you are fully capable of due to being fatigued. What then always happens to me is I need the following 2 days of rest to feel bang on form again. This is after years of training though, if you are still in the first three years hitting 2 on 1 off is still able to produce good gains.
I guarantee after starting to incorporate 2 rest days a week you will be back here in no time at all telling of how you have started to see PR's again from proper recovery! Just remember that 3 on and 1 off is still NOT doing 2 rest days a week as its giving you an 8 day training week.
Learning how to properly rest and take breaks is just as important as learning as how to lift properly. People think working out is how you build muscle with the mindset of the more you work the more you build. Working out is just the stimulus for building it. The actual tissue building comes during rest. Break it down during training and repair/build it during rest. Which means complete rest.
i appreciate all y’all sharing now that i put some thought into it i couldn’t agree more and i’ll be adjusting accordingly thanks man you’ve been very helpful in the short amount of time since i first posted
RustyhookerIf you like 3 on
Chest tris front delts
Legs
Back bis rear delts side delts
I like 4 on...off....repeat. but if gains stop then look at cals and changes in workout. Like moving from 6 sets of 8-10 to shock it with a 10x10 for few weeks. Or pyramids with 10-12 reps.
Chest....legs....back....arms/delts....off....repeat if rested. Calves and abs on non leg days.
Sometimes just mixing it up sparks growth nicely.
i like this a lot, especially the idea of switching up with the shoulders which makes sense since your front felt is used in benching etc i’ll definitely be trying this man thanks
RustyhookerJust get that quality rest in there as guys above posted. Recovery physically and mentally...keep it fun
Let us know how the pip is for you
Molinin302I left that part out on purpose, gives the opportunity for another post. We all had to learn...
haha, so i’ve heard it can be quite painful… i’ll be drawing up with a 25 and then subq injecting into my stomach or thigh with a 29 i’ll just have to play with it and figure out what and where works
Sooner or later the sub q will bite you!
could you be a little more specific?
Skin infection! Sub dermal! I have no fat on my thighs either.
Too much oil for sub q, from my research. Lots of guys get away with small daily pins of trt, but not bigger pins.
ok, noted… i’ll give im a try, i’ll never know until i do so i’ll play around with it and come to a conclusion where i think is best but yeah that makes sense about the oil and the subq i’ll forsure be taking that into consideration i never thought about that thanks man
Everything is truly trial and error for sure. Everybody is different. IM is not really that bad
so i pinned in my glute last night, and while it isn’t painful, there’s definitely swelling with a lump i can feel, especially when driving as the seat hits it… i cannot find any material on how to lessen the swelling other than warming the area, and injecting at night time before bed so it can settle overnight, while completely relaxed
Pin IM or SubQ?
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Molinin302Heating pad. Frankly it baffles me that so many will take these drugs, spend thousands of dollars, but can't dump a few hundred on a decent BP monitor, pulse oximeter, maybe a TENS unit? They sell real drugs here, watch out for yourself.
just bought a heating pad today!
I pin first thing in the morning, read up on pip issues. Virgin muscles, oil type, strength of aas, solvents. There are many reasons, trial and error with a bit of research. I occasionally hit a nerve, that's sucks!
yeah i been doing a bit of reading on the grape seed cottonseed oil etc being possible issues, i also think it would be in my best interest to split the injection into 2 shots .35 and then .4 ml so as to reduce the swelling
If you are still pinning 350mg/ml sust that it the issue. That high dosed gear will always produce pip even moreso with virgin muscle. Some normal dosed test e 250mg/ml would be much better. That higher dosed gear is meant to be blended with other oils and not pinned straight.
I disagree. I like to pin pre workout. Moves it around and in my opinion i get euphoria lol
so i guess you feel like working out afterwards agitates it into the muscle and bloodstream quicker? and you don’t experienced issues with pip doing this
I experience less pip this way the next day especially the sust
alright cool i’ll try it next time, eventually i’ll try everything and SOMETHING will work so i’m open to whatever
Molinin302I've never gone higher than .3ml with a shallow pin
Steroids are meant to be injected IM.
Molinin302No
Molinin302Welcome to the community, sounds like you're headed in the right direction. But stick to test for starters. You're specific about what you have (don't mention brands in general posts like this), so I'm pretty sure your Sust350 is two long esters with some propionate. If I'm correct, it's very real, and possibly overdosed a little. What we do is a marathon, not a sprint, the results will come faster than you think. Best wishes and again, welcome buddy.
so ideally if i was buying it i would’ve went with cypionate but i was gifted a couple vials of it so that was the main factor in my decision, and yes you’re correct it’s 200 e 100 c and 50 p… what is the real difference between using the mix vs cypionate alone? i couldn’t necessarily find any negative reports against it? other than the different esters
Molinin302Ok, that's not traditional sustanon, however that is, in my experience, very potent stuff. Just keep yourself around 500mg weekly, I'd suggest 2x a week injection. You've got quality product in your hands, respect it. Keep that diet on point, don't expect immediate changes, but by week 3 you're going to start being a very happy guy. Stick around and share your results, it's a neighborhood here.
yeah that’s what i’m doing all the research i’ve done seems to suggest every 3rd day rather than 2x a week because then there’s an uneven amount of time between doses so to keep my shit level as possible i’ll be doing that
Molinin302Just one thing to keep in mind, half life of any drug, hormonal or OTC NSAIDs, does not mean in that amount of time half of the drug you ingested is gone and in another half life the rest is out of your system. Let's say a drug has a half life of 10 days, and you injected 500mg. 10 days later your body will be dealing with 250mg circulating through your system. In another 10 days your body will be processing 125mg, another 10 days 62.5mg will be going through your system. Just imagine what long esters like Deca or EQ do... Best wishes buddy, just be informed of what you're signing up for. It's real stuff they sell here.
so wouldn’t pinning every 3rd day rather then let’s say monday and thursday, since there is an uneven amount of days in between, (pin monday, then there’s tuesday wed inbetween totaling 2 days, then pin thurs which leaves fri sat sunday totaling 3 days in between until monday again?) make more sense then? being that im keeping everything in a more even flow? how would you ideally pin it if not this way?
Monday morning and Thursday evening. Pin 7am monday morning and 7pm Thursday evening. Problem solved.
wow you’re a genius what a simple solution lmao i never thought about that, seems solid enough this is what i believe i’ll be doing!
Molinin302Solid
Welcome to eroids but slow down. Test is best...
lol thanks… i was under the impression i was taking it easy , may i ask why the opposition to sust vs e or c alone?
Sustain is an unstable experience for a beginner.
Sust needs to be pinned more often and the esters can be tricky. E and C are the right place to start.