+ 17 The Danger of Guaiacol
Last night I was a little bored so I broke in to my stash and decided to pin some 500 mg/ml test E.
As with most high mg gear it contained guaiacol as a solvent used to create that level of concentrate. We see it's use all the time especially in TNE. You've probably had it if you have noticed that stink and unmistakeable taste in your mouth.
After pinning, I kind of felt a little shitty. It wasn't my first rodeo with guiacol so I knew what to expect.
At any rate I sat down and decided to do a little study on guaiacol and my suspicions were correct...that shit is toxic.
"What are you talking about Ed? My boy wouldnt brew something toxic? He's the best source in the world!"
Well kids I hate to break it to you but your boy is likely a 25 year old kid brewing shit up with recipes he found on the Internet And you just payed him 50 bucks for 5 bucks worth of material he doesn't give a shit about the toxicity of your TNE.
So I suggest taking time to study shit out in all things.
At any rate from what I have read guaiacol will kill a man if he ingests 50 mg/kg. just to put that in perspective if you are a 155 lb. adult 3.5 grams of guaiacol will kill you. But that's the kicker, that is the dose of ingested not injected so I am of the belief that it's much more toxic through injection.
Ever inject Winny as opposed to taking it orally? That's right kids the injections are much stronger.
"what is your point Ed?"
Well kids my point is this, sure your intake of guaiacol isn't on the toxic level or you would be dead, however if you are pinning TNE every day and high mg gear on top of that it might be a good idea to check yourself before you wreck yourself. You are likely pinning a little bit of poison every day, and it may likely be the reason you are feeling like shit.
I see a lot of people on here saying that they are allergic to guaiacol. I don't think that's the case, I just think that they are sensitive to the metered dose of poison that they are putting in to their body. That shit can't be good can it?
Just my two cents. If you are a little concerned, I would suggest talking to your source and finding out him much guaiacol he or she might be using as a solvent.
To me, any poison is bad poison that's why they call it poison.
All my love, no homo
Ed.
P.s. I'd site my sources but I'm too lazy today. Google that shit and you'll see that I'm right. Also on a side note, a lot of e-cig oils contain guaiacol as well, so if you smoke E-cigs, pin TNE, and inject high mg gear you might be killing yourself faster than you think.
Be safe my friends.
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Bump .. what's a normal or high concentration of guaiacol anyways?
Now I know why i felt like ass every time i pinned Mutas Tren E 500 . Thanks Ed
X 2 same stuff that put me on death bed in hospital for 11 days
Im fucked then................. i quit with the gear but im sucking the living fuck outa this E-cig
Lifes not fair............... every angle some prick is trying his best to poison me.
FUCK IT........ im going to syria to Rage out......................
Sorry bro, everything will kill you.
ax542if someone have some animals, weight the animal, then do inject pure guaiacol each moday, everytime double the dose, until the monday it dies: then you know the lethal dose by doing the math adjusted with the weight of a 70kg man. Nothing best to determine the toxicity/letality of Guaiacol then testing on animal, before testing toxicity/lethality on yourself. A normal/big dog or a pig, would be the best, the more closer to human weight the better. No animal cruelty here.. just science and goodsense.. Hypocrisy to say the contrary.
And please remember to share the results..
If you don't want to sacrifice your dog (instead of yourself), just go to a doghouse or a pigsty and take a dog or a pig, or if you are/know a veterinary it's far more easier story.
Remember that cruelty do not applyies here, in this field, and that you are using animals as shield, exactly like when you go around with your pitbull to use it as a protector..
Those who take injectable winstrol, there would be almost everytime relatively high amount of guaiacol in it, so those who use winstrol extensively, should consider seriously doing those tests..
$%$ off...We don't need sick #$%& like you around here.
I edited it. I am not as angry now as I was earlier.
You should of at least got the name of his source that sells guaiacol winny lol
Apparently he figures by insulting my chosen dialect it will make me realize the error of my ways and correct my heinous actions. LOL, no, not at all. Instead of letting you back on in a day or so you can start over (and hope I don't figure you out and ban you again.)
Thanks pale. Any chance at removing the stupid comments so no one gets any ideas
No, I want them to see how a stupid, irresponsible comment like this guy made will get you shown the door. This reminds me of the guy that admitted juicing his pitbull on here a couple years ago. He met the same fate. We may look like barbarians and vikings around here but these dudes are by and large caring people that also love their animals and would never do stupid and cruel shit like this. Motherfucker probably belongs in prison...
I wonder if this theory would work for my daughter's boyfriends. If I beat the shit out a one will word spread
That is what I do. :), but it is funny, in spite of how big and mean I try to look they are all actually scared of my wife, lmao
lmao... so true bro...so true.
Not in my house. My wife is an angel. They all love her. But they are all scared of me. Not scared enough to quit coming around though. Yet
Yep that was me -1 because you are serious about doing this to an animal.
This is not science. Conducting tests on animals =\= conducting tests on humans, as we react differently. It's not a basic math equation to get lethal dosages...
It is animal cruelty.
And I'm my pitbull's protector. Not the other way around.
This isn't science you're proposing, it's nonsense.
ax542testing on animals is necessary, merely to see adverse(or lethal) effects that otherwise would happens on humans, nothing more nothing less.
It is not cruelty, it's biological science. Without animal testing we would be at biological knowledge levels of the 1500 or 1600, and no medicines at all, as well as cosmetics.
I know it's cruel to use an animal to test, but is less cruel to use an animal than use himself; would be better that die or became blind, the animal? or the man? If some is going to became blind because want "save" animals from cruelty, it's very stupid, or the third way, to stay away from potentially toxic substances.
Here talks about Guaiacol, as it's super qualities as solvent, but considering its very potentially side effects; benefits vs dangers. Animal testing would be necessary for higher dosages.
No, on the contrary as you say, animal is very similar, and close, to humans. We share a high percentage of dna, and tissues and organs of animals, for example dogs or pigs, are very close to humans, liver is liver, eye is eye, hearth is hearth; testings applyied to animals tissues or organs reflects to humans, or at least they (animals' organs) are dangered before ours.
The "equation" you talk about, in this case, is only merely applyied to the weight, like almost 90% of testing conducted on mouse, and report the weight percentage according to humans.
Beside all of this, my main interest in this post is not about animals, but about Guaiacol, and how much safe is to employ it!
One nice answer would be if someone know how much guaiacol liquid 1 gram corresponds to ml?
This way is easy to calculate how much ml MAX can be used.
Guaiacol is a best solvent but found in class 4 or 5 of toxicity, very toxic or extrmely toxic.
RustyhookerFuck you...fuck you....and fuck you.
That was my pleasant accent.
I'm not arguing the merits and cons of animal testing, I'm not against clinical animal testing. I'm saying human testing is done because there are variations between the effects drugs have on animals and on humans. I'm not aware of drug companies going directly from lab rat exams, straight to production. Human clinical trials are run. How many drugs have worked for lab rats, and failed to work for humans?
I'm also arguing the point that going out and getting a pig or dog is cruelty, because none of us are able to obtain a sample size large enough to generate enough data to use. Going out and buying a pig/dog just to kill it with guiacol is fucking stupid on a personal level, leave it to the medical corporations to do it. With more controls, more constants, and the ability to monitor exactly what causes the guiacol to act the way it does.
ax542I understand your point, but let's the case you must inject.. and must do with guaiacol.
I'm doing to my dear dog before myself, if it dies, it's just a GOOD thing for me, because he dies instead of me. If i want save my dog the pin, bypassing "test" and doing myself, i would risk to die and leave my dog live (without his loved owner..).
Cannot compare here corporations with personal.. You just became cold and do what should be done: test on animal before yourself, obviously in the case you are going to inject yourself.
For the all good literature that there is already, no need to test on animals, but for such compouns like Guaiacol, it should be done.
If someone have an animal that can work, and he is going to use guaiacol, please do inject to animal until lethal dose and let us know, and thanks 1 thousand times.
In the case of guaiacol, as cathegorized as 4-5 toxic level, and very few gram for letal dose, it's worth to test on animal.
You've got to be fucking kidding me...
Edit: well, didn't see that you're banned, but I'm glad you are. Your line of thinking is downright stupid, and I never resort to that type of comment when analyzing other people's beliefs and opinions.
The density of Guaiacol is:
1.11 grams per ml
Hope that helps.
If you go through and read all the comments you'll see that I have done most of the math that you are looking for.
Might save you a little time
Hmmm. Velly eentellesting...but NOT shtupid! Thanks for shedding some light on this for us, Ed. +1
Now your PM makes sense from our previous discussion. People read into the fancy stuff as we discussed....1000mg Test Ent and the little 18 year old goes "i need more". All these blends and supertest formulas etc are just hooha in a sense...Do you think Arnold had Test ent 600 and EQ/Deca blends ummmm no! They had traditional compounds with cottonseed oil! So you mean i can get huge if i take a gram of everything V....No eat some food shit!
Another outstanding point....do your research on the true cost of raws the true brewing method. Understand what you are putting in your body. Understand true ratios for common methods and what BB and BA are!
Last but not least drugs are bad MMkay....
Educate before you medicate!
Lol, I think for a while Arnold ran Dbol only cycles didn't he?
GooD Post ED. Thanks for the info. +1
Thanks brother good to see you around.
So, are you saying carbs are ok to eat?
Im too lazy to read to the end of the comments at this point, so this may have been covered. I remember a while back, a SRC stated that guaiacol would literally eat through varnish if it was dripped onto a table and not cleaned up. I could only imaging the damage it does to the muscle we are so desperately trying to build. I have never been too into high concetrate gear, and I only have 1 vial of tne left. After that's gone, I'm switching to suspension for good. Thanks for the info buddy, I literrally love you for this fun fact.
Hmm not finding many facts to back this up. Sounds like you're more likely to die from water intoxication.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication#Notable_cases
Below is a chart with toxic ratings. To the right is the dose per kg that is lethal for 50% of those exposed to that amount. Guaiacol is a class 5, water is lets say a little bit less toxic.
TOXICITY RATING FOR HUMANS (70 KG BODY WEIGHT)
Rating/Class Dose
SOURCE: Gosselin, et al. (1984). Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkens.
Read more: http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Te-Va/Toxicity.html#ixzz3T3nqYsN3
Try again bro. Guaiacol's toxicity is 50mg/kg. go re-read what I wrote and check out the sources.
That places it as a class 3. "VERY TOXIC"
But hey thanks for playing.
weird the copy/paste of the chart changed.. click on the link its different. Even the link you posted below listed it as toxic rating class 5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128432
It is class III by the EPA rating though. That is a different scale though.
edit: tried to post again, text goes in numerically 6-1 in descending order but when I hit save I think the website auto corrects maybe? and inverts the numbers 1-6 descending.... wierd
Doesn't really matter either way. The toxicity is still 50 mg/ml. Which when you look at how much a juicer potentially injects...it's just not healthy. Not even comparable to water.
You get a juicer that is injecting 20% guiacol TNE every morning, smoking ecigs every day and making homage ECA stacks with primatene tablets (containes guiafanesen) and you have a high probability of getting sick. That was the point of the post. Some people know first hand how even a little gets them sick.
That was the whole purpose of the post. We are about being healthy. Well at least I am and the majority of us are. Not about seeing how much shit we can inject before we die.
I was agreeing with you 100%. The chart not posting right made my post look idiotic. I was trying to say that comparing guaicol to water was stupid. My sarcasm didn't translate the way I was intending it to.
When you made this post it made me go out and do a lot of reading on the stuff. I think I am just going to trash my TNE that I have now because the benefits don't outweigh the potential harm. I think the post is excellent. The shit we do already is hard enough on our bodies.
Cool. My bad, I must have read you wrong.
+2 for playing and to show I've got no hard feelings.
Nah, its all good. With the way the chart auto corrected and the way I commented it really did look like I was saying it was like water. I didn't catch it after I posted but you caught it and hopefully other people who read it understand it.
We'll just chalk it up to you being a crazymofo.
Haha, you can blame whatever you want to on me as long as it doesn't get me in front of a judge.... again.
Deal.
Hmmmm, you are likely not finding anything because you don't have the mental capacity to read anything that is written above a first grade level.
Let me help you out a little.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128432
http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/guaiacol
https://books.google.com/books?id=DbEKAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA570&lpg=PA570&dq=gua...
My suggestion would be to have your boyfriend read the selected materials to you and explain them in a way that you can understand, and then have him help you work your way through the citations of each source. This may take you back as far as 1987, so have a little patience.
Hope that helps.
Don't see anything there about a vial of TNE being enough to kill a man. 5ml of guaiacol caused the death of a 9 yr old girl. Everyone knows guaiacol isn't good for you but nobody is gonna drop dead from pinning TNE. Like I said you're more likely to die from drinking too much water.
Bro, this is where your shitty reading comprehension hurts you every time.
I'm not going to explain the math to you. You'll have to go to school for that. Let me explain to you again, the toxicity of Guaiacol is 50mg/kg. this falls into the category of "very toxic"
We aren't talking about water you dumbass, that doesn't even fall into the same category.
My example of a ten ml vial killing someone was an extreme case to show that yes it is possible to die from a 10 ml vial. If the guiacol content is high enough.
Google the density of guiacol and have someone help you with the math and you'll see that I'm right.
However the point I was trying to make is that the shit is toxic. You aren't likely going to die from it, but there is a possibility that it is going to make you feel like shit and make you sick.
Which is what we see all the time.
Study a little deeper, because so far all you have done is convince me that you don't understand the math.
Did you hear about that one time a 9 yr old girl from Mexico died from ingesting 5 ml of guaiacol? Maybe you can do a write up about how you can die from eating a handful of Tylenol.
To further prove my point here is a math problem.
Answer that Dudebro and we can further the discussion. If you can't then I rest my case with the fact that you are too stupid to understand the math.
I'll patiently await your answer.
Well then I guess we established nobody is gonna OD on their bottle of TNE no matter what % of guaiacol is in there I guess we can move on to this little gem of yours.
I spent the entire day searching Google books and I can't seem to find anything relating to guaiacol toxicity and Winstrol injections. Perhaps you can fill me in or would you rather keep rambling on about sucking cock? Seems like you have some serious repressed homosexual anger issues there buddy. Maybe you should see a therapist about that.
RustyhookerIngesting and injecting is different. Example: drinking poorly made ugl liquid winny. Since it's absorption is oral there can be microbes in there that your bodies immune system kills IF it lives past the hcl in the guy.
But, take winny aqueous that's ugl dirty and inject it. You definitely will have bigger problem because you bypassed all natural defense means.
It's not likely fir someone to outright die from dosing but with regular injection of poisons you will feel crappy. Not to mention the possible damage to the meat. If guaicol spilled on a table takes off the carnish, you can see the points.
Will I stop high dosed gear? I will rethink combos for sure.