No AI for first cycle?
So before I read this post;
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/no-ai-cycle
I started planning on a cycle using masteron and proviron with a low dose of test at 375mg / week. Everyone keeps preaching one compound for first cycle to know what is causing sides, but then says to add adex or aromasin during the first cycle. That is still another compound.
A buddy of mine has been asking about cycling and recently joined eroids. I was advising him to get an ai, but now I'm wondering, wouldn't it be good advice to use low test, with masteron and proviron? Instead of jumping right into 500/wk and adding ai's, start at 375/wk with a couple of mild steroids to help utilize the extra test while having the anti estrogen properties? Maybe just have the aromasin on hand just in case he is super sensitive?
Maybe look something like what I'm planning on running next, minus the EQ, props, tbol and var...
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/early-planning
So what do you all think, remove one drug with just antiaromatase properties and add 2 mild steroids with anitaromtase properties?
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I have a question that falls into the category of sides, E2, and my AI. I'm in my third week of 600mg test e per week. I had bloods drawn again in week 2 because I wasn't feeling well. I found my estrogen was high so I started 12.5mg Aromasin ED for the past week. I want to get bloods done at this dose to see if this is effective or if I need to increase or decrease. Would my estrogen levels be down enough in just a week to show results? Or should I wait another week as continue my AI at the same dose? I assume Aromasin acts on estrogen almost immediately considering its half life, just wanted to hear input.
Boxjumpwhere you getting bloods done?
Through privatemdlabs and blood taken at labcorp.
RustyhookerOuch! 3rd week on only test e? And already high estradiol. What was the levels? Test e usually doesn't get fully kicking for another week or 2. Frontloaded?
Nope I didn't front load. Levels were about 82 but enough to make me notice the sides. I started the cycle with about 18-20% bf so I'm guessing that has something todo with the faster conversion to E2. However test levels after only three pins were already above 1500. I'm feeling much better after a week on my AI so I think I'm going to stick with my current dose until it changes or bloods tell me otherwise.
RustyhookerIm in same boat....bf will mess with estro. Keep at that dose. Test at week 6 to see where you are. 40-50 should eadily allow bulking
RustyhookerAi suggested always...on hand....as/if necessary. But the reality is not many people use blood testing to map their body. So if you run forums ling enough and see enough blood tests....here's the problem.
Diversity!
There's guys on here that found out the ONLY way they can cycle is using Letro as an AI.. Letro is everyone elses emergengy nipple repair. It kills estro asap! Then the other guy that can run a gram a week with no ai. And lets not forget those on hete who get NO SYMPTOMS of high estro...then blood test at 400+ !
So, a base cycle is not adding "compounds" as you have stated. You're using polypharmacy technique to keep your body in a positive growth cycle. Adding compounds in this forum is steroids. Ancillaries are ai//pct/fat burners...etc etc etc.
Now to answer your question....sort of. My first cycle was a teeny lil 300Mg/wk and i added 18lbs. 15 after water drop. If you ask how....or holy crap.....go back to science. Read the blood tests. A guy with non functioning balls uses a lil 100Mg/wk and raises to 600-900. So, if you take Mr 1st timer with a natty level of 600 test...just run the numbers.
Test and its conversion is ultimately dependent on the individual. Bloods are the road map. All this goes back to test only because it's always in your cycle. If you have high conversion prepare. But you only know thru blood science. Adding in blockers still doesn't remove or contain the estro floating the system....which is why none of us preach nolva anymore as ai. Safe nipples doesn't mean anti-catabolic state thruout.
On hand...adex/aromasin. And here's a kicker....NON-RESPONDER! We've had the fair share of non-responders.. They upped dose of proven human grade but their body doesn't react. Switch to other ai asap! Just like at dictors when Tylenol doesn't blick pain....but the ibuprophen works great for you.
We're all unique here. General guidelines fit most....but not all. Be prepared. Be safe.
Well said my learned friend. This is exactly what I didn't want to come of the no ai post. I think everyone should have adex and aromisin on hand at the beginning of every cycle. No sides come up don't take them. Still at week 6 get bloods done to make sure. Easy as that!
RustyhookerHigh five! Map it out. Know it. Then branch out and use priors to build futures. Good backup plan and you'll have corrective time while everyone here helps you out.
Alright thank you. A well thought out response. I won't advise my buddy to use anything but test and an ai as I already talked about with him. I, on the other hand, will be trying out the cycle I have posted the link to with the hope of not needing an ai.
RustyhookerAdvise running bloods at week 6. Thats the truest tale. Of course he's got you for questions of high estro to help. Keep us updated!
man man you hit the sweet spot, AI kills my gains thats why i always run it only when necessary
RustyhookerBoom! One extreme right here!
juice12345678I think you're just looking for a loop hole so YOU can use more than one Compound for
Your first cycle....
An AI isn't shit compared to a steroid
Some of what you say here is correct....old school etc. but come on man....
How do you have so many Karma points?
You fucking asshole
RustyhookerTren, coke or alcohol......no blame game. Relaxxxxxx.
juice12345678That was harsh at the end....I'm tren'ing out
But you're still a retard....
I'm fed up, where is everyone?
I agreed to someone else's more than one compound cycle because he had every AI / hcg and pct measure planned out perfectly....
You're just throwing weirdo 1960's ideas around....
Nothing in your cycle is going to screw you up bad but respect the mother loving game
What the fuck? I've been on eroids for 2 years and definitely not on my first cycle.
Just throwing an idea out there, not giving advice to do it, and looking for opinions and educated thoughts on the subject. You're response is uneducated, irrational and rude.
Funny, but uncalled for.
RustyhookerVia pm it's easier to describe because newbs pop thru and copy/paste everything and jump in with both feet.
Positively....yes low test will still add mass. It doesn't take a lot but last year the cets got together and came up with the basic standard because it works for most types. BUT....that why stats n goals mean so much!
fr sent. please elaborate
WithdrawlMan I can't tell you enough that just test by itself is the best thing for a first cycle. 400-500mg a week and have and AI on hand ESPECIALLY since this is a first cycle. You need to know how things affect you and there's no way to tell if you start out with a cocktail of steroids. Trust me man, test only will give you as much muscle gain as any combo you're thinking of using. Your first cycle you grow like a freaking weed. Test only bro, and have an ai on hand ALWAYS.
^ this. cant wait !!!
Yeah I get that, test only, but then you're still saying add an ai, which is another drug. See what I'm getting at? I mean, I'll keep him with just test and an ai, unless consensus agrees my logic.
WithdrawlAn AI is not a steroid. I'm talking about one steroid. The AI is there to keep you from growing tits and becoming an emotional basket case.
RustyhookerBingo!
Its not the same thing stick with test and ai that's it