Lets talk dosages & old school Bodybuilding :)
In the off topic , bodybuilder posted a link to Yates' cycle. His peak cycle was 1000mg test & 500 mg deca & 50 mg dbol per day.
and sad to say that this was exactly my last cycle w/ the exception that my test was 750 mg lol.
was talking to an old body builder who is a friend of mine about the dosages.
he doesnt agree w/ my methods of dosing. he think i am an idiot and that i am abusing the great drug.
He swears that all of this is going to bite me in the ass when im older.
so lets talk dosage:
this guy idea of compound dosing is this
75mg of tren A per week
250 mg of test e per week
test p 25 mg EOD
Dbol 25mg ED
Deca 100 mg per week
Var 5 mg per day
and so on.... u get the point.
when i asked him " what u think about a test only cycle 500 mg per week"
he says "too much"
well fuck my life
he takes the absolute minimum and he swear he makes gains and keeps 6-8 lb every cycle. and he is not the only one that told me this. hell yates ran almost the same cycle as me in his prime
So what the fuck have i been doing this whole time. I'm thinking of re- evaluating my whole AAS , and lowering everything.
So the question is:
why do people take massive amounts of AAS, like i see in the cycle logs, people pounding compounds w/ compounds.
so there u have it
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Your question made me ask myself "what do I want from my training goals and steroids".
D0 I want to be healthy and add muscle, or dont I care and I want to add the most amount of size and strength with little regard to my overall health. It then made me think how serious do I take my BB/Strength training life? Will it be my life and career and my livelihood or will it be a recreational activity?
If its the former - then I must know that I have the genetic capability to be in the 0.1% that has lower Myostatin, reacts extremely well to training without steroids and has made exceptional gins in 2-3 years of natural training.........so yes Ill dedicate my life to this sport with the intention of being amongst the best and earning a living? This MAY take me to a path of extra steroids/peptides..
I guess what I am saying is whats the approach you want to take? BIG BANG or SLOW TRAIN?
This leads me on to gains in weight that people make on steroids. Lost count of the amount of times ive seen "i gained 25lbs on this stack" no you didnt! I will bet credible amounts of figure that you will be lucky if you gained 4-5lbs of LEAN TISSUE. 25lbs of lean tissue is phenominal amount of change in the body and a huge burden on the organs....so what you actually gained was water in the muscles and the ability to exert my force temportaily due to the steroids - which you were then able to lift more weight and grow that extra bit.
My take on steroids [says the guy with a huge stash and OCD in collecting gear!] is to take the least amount to get the most gains. Ive get to go over 750mg of test and 400mg Deca and few other orals in rasonable amounts and 5iu GH...and thats after 12 years of on and off gear use [more off then on might I add]. I keep majority of my gains when i come off and i ensure my new set point if higher then before I started the cycle.
There are some amazing steroids you can use to create a stack of pure lean gains with the right diet and you will end up looking far better then taking all and sundry. But again, the OCD, the More is Better, the excuse that you need more and the potential laziness of using more compounds thinking it may guise the inadequate parts of training and dieting, IMHO, are some of the reasons why people do it.
chiefsfanj9I fell victim to the supplement industry for a couple years, wasting hard earned money on hundreds worth of supplements. I wanted to always try the new thing and hoped it worked like advertised, but was always dissapointed. Now, I am very happy I ended up researching gear, which I have known much about for the last few years. I have ran two cycle in the last 8 months and my money spent really paid off now when it comes to gains. The deceiving ways of the pros and supps industry in quite rediculous, but who's to say most wouldn't do it if they had the genetics(gear response), pro status, and the pay that would be given.
If I remember correctly in the old days these were the dosages available.
Test cyp or e 100 mg or 200 mg per ml.
Dbol 5 mgs per tablet.
Anavar 2.5 mgs per tablet.
Deca 100 mg or 200 mg per ml.
Finajet tren ace 30mg per ml
Winstrol v 50 mg per ml.
Equipoise 50 mg per ml.
If you think about it the average pumpkin head taking 5 tablets a day or 3 to 6 ml of oil a week would be right. But I will say that in the 80's pct was never spoken of and anti estrogen was rare too. We have a major advantage now over the guys from back then. But a lot of my big bodybuiler friends would never come off. Full blown cycle then a cycle to Primobolan for the clean out than a full blown cycle again. Those guys were the real big guys in the gym.
My hubby has known dorian for a long time, even trained with him in the 80s when he used to do gym appearences and promotions,dorian is a really private person and has a sense of humour to boot,the dosages you are reading here is only just scratching the surface of what he used when in his prime.
Anonwelp, seeing as your axis can only put (x) amount of test/gear to use, subject "A" might have an advantage over subject "B" if B isn't as receptive. Essentially he would just be wasting the high doses of gear. Dont want people to pain the picture that "if I take mass doses and run huge cycles, I can get as big as I want." True to an extent, but still deceptive lol.
1jakd_hipyBro to compete in the Arnold days is much different than today, today's bodybuilders at the elite level are on tons of drugs not only AAS but Peptides, HGH and Insulin. Think about it Arnold was 6'2" and 240, jay Cutler is what like 5'7" and 280. Bill Roberts did an article on how running low doses of test is not worth the shutdown. Google it
i dont want to get into details, but lets just say my brother has been competing in bodybuilding for awhile, and his dosages just for testosterone are around 2000g-4000g weekly.
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Anon2000g huh? so 20,000 mg a week
Are we forgetting that Dorian used massive amounts of HGH and insulin??
Lol my TRT dose of test cyp is 250mg/ week. That's a full blown cycle in this cats mind. He's getting nothing from 75mg of tren ace per week. I run that daily. The prop dose could barely be considered in the therapeutic range. My wife runs higher anavar doses than he does lol. Personally, I think 500mg of enanthate/week is about the minimum on a test only cycle. Sounds like he's just uneducated and set in his ways. More is most definitely not always better, but those doses are so low that they're really nothing more than a waste I'm my opinion. All that being said, I have a hard time believing Yates only ran a gram of test per week.
These guys are simply trying to catch up to the guys which were blessed with good genetics, sad but true. Dont get me wrong i take some big doese but i have been doing this for far to long, if you know what i mean.
I honestly dont think Yates was completely lying. I've seen guys blow the hell up with a single low dose test only cycle. On the other hand I've seen guys run boat loads of gear at crazy doses and they look well mediocre. Genetics are a big factor thats for sure, ive seen the diffrence first hand, now as for his max amount of dosage, lets just say he was being modest lol.
That's sounds about right to me. He definitely ain't telling the complete truth. Whether its a daily dose or weekly both seem hard to believe.
75 of tren per week? Research time....lol. The pros go huge
you really think yates took 1 mg of test a week in his prime? LOL
thats what he said bro
hes lying
FYI HE SAID HE TAKES ALL THOSE "DAILY" NOT PER WEEK.
1g of test DAILY
If u listen u can barely hear he said a week after mentioning bold. It made me think he meant weekly too. Daily was mentioned after speaking about his dbol dose. Not sure I believe either really. Ur right about the lies. Both seem like bullshit to me.
seriously, lol, Fucking yates. god damn it..