+ 7 keeping our eroids pincipals
against what seems to be the popular vote, I'm going to step out here and bring a reminder to our vets, and let our newer members know we don't typically support guys using gear especially when they've only had a hair on their dick just a few years. typically this gets shut down in the open forums rather quickly. however, I'm seeing an unusual amount of support for this from level 1's all the way up to adv, and guys holding exp tags. In the si's and gear pics posted these newly joined members are showing orders that rival anything that you'll find in mine or Vike's gear box for that matter. example, I'm looking at a order pic that has about 50 vials of oils, from test, tren, mast, eq, to deca. the orals shown would last me 3 years or more, and when I check this guy's profile he lists his age at 21, under 200lbs with a bf% of 15, and the comments that follow shock me. much higher ranking guys are throwing this kid karma left and right and admiring his order. the op is posting back and bragging about he's going to start with a bulk run and follow it up immediately with a cut using as much of this gear as he can. I'm assuming from this comment this kid is running a cycle year round, and yet the praise keeps coming. Now this isn't a isolated incident it's been common enough for me to feel the need to create this post to remind everyone we still have and shouldn't forget that we are a community of principals and integrity and should advise accordingly. INTEGRITY doing the right thing when no-one is looking.
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It comes down to an issue for each member of this community to decide if they are going to advise within eroids' unofficial guidelines or not. The members of the community know what we recommend as a first cycle and how we build on subsequent cycles. We know the age policy. Less "baked in" are issues about a prospects body weight and training history but common sense generally governs here as well - we don't lay out a steroid cycle for a 150 pound male paper doll that has been lifting for 6 months or recommend drugs to a candidate with a BF% of 25%. LoL So, maybe this is just one of the things that distinguishes eroids from other steroid fora - that there is more or less a community consensus on what to recommend. Would I do things exactly the way the community does them outside of eroids? Probably not. But if I'm handing out advice on this website, then I feel obligated to do things the way we do them and I think all of us should tow the line as well. If we don't, then we send out mixed messages to a new member that is not at all helpful but simply a source of confusion. The "unified front" is far better.
Nice reminder to the Eroids members. I always click on the OP's profile to see their stats and there like, before I ever give karma or advice. Should be standard procedure.
I'm often horrified to see what people order (t3, clen, tren, superdrol, etc), and then see everyone else adding karma and saying "go for it".
I'm at the Fuck em stage. It's hard to fix stupid. And if your that guy reading this, here ya go
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/
That's the link for the bodybuilding.com forums. Take a look at some of the natural dudes on there that know how to diet.
I find it amazing that we need to tell ppl how to diet on a steroid forum!! If you have not figured this out yet then what the hell you doing here?
+1 Sup
Going into this, I have to admit, I was completely scared. Everytime I searched and researched as much as I could, I would leave with the possibility I am going to fuck myself up. Even with all the great minds of EROIDS I could seriously Fuck up!
Then you have the other side, people don't even care what could happen, all they think is gains gains gains.
So, it depends on what type of person you are, and well when it comes to this, I'm not going to choose the stupid side. I want to as much as possible do this the, so called, "safe way." LOL
sad but so true guys, I tried to offer my opinion that although I'm 40 and been using gear for a few years now, I can still make progress and grow using 400mgs of test 300mgs of deca a week and if I wanna get wild add 30 mgs of an oral in daily. with a proper diet and hard training it don't take a truck load of gear. I'll go back and see if I can find that post and figure out to post that link here for ya Mack so you can see just how reckless this kid is. guessing from the feedback here you guys aren't having a hard time running into this yourselfs. yeah flash, this gh and slin use with these kids really has me thinking any concern for one's health has gotten thrown out the window.
Hell yes you can. I made great progress over the winter and for most of it I was just cruising on 200 cyp. No sides to worry about at all at that dosage either. I am running a blast now that would still be considered very tame by most standards.
You get the work ethic right and lets see what "Tame" brings...... that blast has the potential to cream ANY of these head fuck cycles you see the youngsters toying with.
Right on! Beat my legs into submission this morning since we got rained out of work.
Send them a Memo and hit em again on friday lol
I was planning on Saturday but you are the boss! lol
We need to create DOMS for every single day of this blast bro......... no DOMS means work ethic/rate is on its ass....... i want you sore constantly so you cannot wait to get back in the gym to get some blood flowing to ease the stiffness.
YES, I aim for doms after each and every workout and I gotta say Vike, I look forward to my cardio sessions to help flush that lactic acid and toxins
out the muscle, along with knowing I pulled out all the stops in that given workout. not afraid to take my muscles to complete failure but sometimes I've found this to be a little elusive on cycle tho brother. talking using drop sets, giant sets, and rest pause. is it just the aas aiding in recovery that quick? ideas, thoughts big brother?
What I notice on cycle is that DOMS only lasts 1 or 2 days instead of 3 or sometimes 4 days when off cycle. It also seems like I am able to flush the DOMS away once I get a good pump going.
Brother you know i have run some serious monster stacks with all the "so called" soothing combos mixed in, you know deca/eq mix for ligaments and tendons etc..... no matter how much gear we run we must attack it with the relevant work load.
You nailed it when you mention using ALL the training principles! either straight forward or mix and match to keep the muscle guessing which angle you plan to attack it from... and get your head around the Tonnage principle, meaning add and keep adding volume to each and workout while the big stack or blast is in place.... make the mind take the body to a whole new realm of pain...... you must go balls out and aim to create DOMS that would make a fkn Bull limp lmao!............. no DOMS means we are NOT hitting our full work load potential and that should be the short term goal to strive for each and every time we visit the house of pain.
I only EVER do cardio pre-comp........ heavy workouts will increase the metabolism and burn fat longer and harder than any cardio or aerobic activity........... i see people fkn around on running machines and the like and i just laugh .... anybody who does cardio when trying to bulk or maintain is wasting valuable muscle building time imo.
very good then, time to up volume and poundage and go like hell. thank you much ole boy!
Go at it like a man possessed bro........... another tip is on exercises that require a lock out at the top of the movement i.e benching or pressing etc......... DO NOT hit the lock out, every time we lock out we momentarily take all tension out of the working muscle, try a few reps without lock out and slow controlled negative movement and come tell me that you dont feel the difference
TRy to be ultra strict again... i.e try all deltoid head work sat down instead of standing to kill all body momentum.... all little tricks to enhance the stimulation of the working muscle and create mega micro cellular damage which is the name of the game
And just like that you hit me with another angle I just plain forgot. I have been doing most of my shoulder stuff standing for quite some time now, never even consciously knowing I was ignoring doing them sitting.
Well i dont do much in the way of steroid/cycle talk anymore so i may as well concentrate on this type of stuff bro... its all fresh in my mind because its what i do and preach daily with my guys...........if it can help motivate here thats fine by me ;)
And Brother, it does. It doesn't even have to be groundbreaking, sometimes the simplest truths are what stop us in our tracks and makes us say, "damn, you know he is right!" lol
ah yes we are referring to time under tension I'm betting. stop before lock out and no body english. I'll begin immediately and solely focus on this and get back to you my friend. micro damage is the name of the game here forward. thanks again Vike, and for every 10 bone heads there is one of us who appreciates your time.
It is funny you mention DOM's I was thinking of making my next forum post about it. I have heard many guys saying they don't get DOM's while on cycle. That tells me that they aren't putting in the hard work in the gym then. If I don't feel that pain 24-48 hours after I hit that muscle group I know I didn't work hard enough. Maybe it is just me?
Those that do not suffer constant DOMS are just playing at it bro............... if my people refuse to hit that level of intensity i would sack them!...... DOMS is a sign that both fast twitch and most importantly slow twitch deep muscle fibers have been sufficiently stimulated (destroyed is a better word lol) which is the trigger for assimilation of protein to occur and create the cellular growth we are all hungry for...... training this way for a good length of time is what creates the hard, grainy mature muscle look that these ypungsters just cannot copy.
ypungsters?....... lol i was gonna correct that but it looks good............. i just created a new eroids word lmfaooo..........
You just don't understand that steroids are supposed to do the work bro!
up untill about a year and a half ago i was running over 3.5 grams of juice plus orals on every bulk, these days i hit a small dose of test and still make gains, im talking test prop at 100 eod, its all food.
nice Flash! and I'm guessing you feel much better on a day to day basis yeah? I recall once I did a cycle of test at 1.5 grams weekly and a gram of eq along with t-bol at 80mgs a day and I felt like shit most of the time. and the progress I
made wasn't hardly anymore then when I'm being conservative.
so true! the problem is the running before walking, the mentality of running grams as a youngster is how it is now, you wait ten yrs if that, and see how full the trt lounge etc is, all the guy wishing they listened because they cant have kids or get it up, or they shit their prostates out and piss their kidneys in the toilet bowls, not to mention the liver patte, i really want to get through and warn them, i had a go at some kids the other week, i got a text from a friend of a friend wanting dbol, i said yeah i got some im not using, they rocked up with p plates on the car, they were 17-18 yo, he had a bum bag on his waste and in there he had 12 bottles of tren ace, and a heap of test e, hes telling me hes going to run 1500 test e with 750 tren ace, he needs the dbol to kick in the test, i literally spat chip at him, hes like 5'8 70kgs if lucky, i gave him the whats what and guess what, a source on here sold it to him! plus told him how to take it, its not a uk lab. but anyway long rant short i kept the dbol and told him hes crazy, but he didnt care he said the source wouldnt lie to me! im listening to him, plus i got a 21st party next month and theres gonna be hell chicks! the mentality is ludacris!
For my next bulk, I think I am going to run 500mg of pharmaceutical test and some dbol just to prove that it is the diet that puts the mass on and not the amount of drugs that one takes.
Proud of you for having that level of self belief bro.
I was panicking when i decided to drop right back and simply run my TRT dose of 125mg of sustanon weekly....... i am holding well around 240 all nice and vascular, and people are actually asking me if i am prepping to show! so bro i say go for it and prove to all that less is more when we put all our knowledge to the test instead of just going ape shit and running with the pack.
Even at this low dose my protein assimilation is 30+% higher than natty so really we cannot fail.
I keep preaching and writing posts about the importance of the diet, so I just want to go back to the basics and show everyone, and myself, that the diet and training is where it is at. Pics will verify progress.
yes! i had the stupid mentality of more is better, my fav cycle was test, deca, eq, drol, i decided thanks to irishmack to try low dose and it worked, got diet on point and booom! it was good, cheaper, and felt way better!
you just humbled me flash, im glad my advice helped. time to grow!
bro, you know you have been there for the last year for me through email support, you encouraged me alot with my heavy doses on the juice, plus getting me off the drink etc, you made me see thing alot better, your a good dude, even after i got outta hospital, and when family was sick, you listened to my whining lol. the thing with you is, you practice what you preach! your passionate about helping others! and you did help me! cheers!
It was easy, I went through a lot of the same shit so showing you what works and what doesnt was from experience. You have a shit ton of potential so make sure you stay focusing on the positive and keep walking that straight line. Turn those bad experiences around and use that to your advantage and every door will just open without you having to knock. (homo rant over)
That is the reason I very rarely visit any SI's. If I do it is usually to ask a legit question. There are a few that keep a tight ship with a good group that I don't mind visiting but most SI's seem like a bunch kids bragging how much tren they are taking.
you're right brother, it's a who can order more gear contest in there. and I guess it was a little foolish of me thinking I could post and help out in the si's. I figured that that's where the newer guys would be and I could reach some of them before they got carried away with all the bs advice. turns out the more respecting members are here out in the open forums. thinking we all should post and track our conservative cycles to really show these kids what's what.
The advice thrown around in most of those SI's is just plain out stupid and irresponsible. That advice would never fly in the open forum. To bad there is not a way to put a halt to it in the SI's. People just go into the SI's now to get signed off on there idiotic cycles since they know the knowledgable members who could really help them in the open forum would tell them it needs to be redone and all they want to do is run truckloads of gear cause it is the "cool" thing to do now and they could care less about diet.
we were just touching on this the other day. The mentality of our youth is more is better, they use grams and grams of gear thinking it will make up for shitty diet. Look at some of the adv members here that take massive cycles and look like they just started training a week ago. I saw some of the si posts where these kids were saying how they are taking over 700mg of tren because that way they can eat ice cream, mcdonalds, and pizza milkshakes and still lose fat. Its a fkn epidemic. Post a link to that if you still have it, I promise Ill be nice to the poster.
lol i was looking at pics for the first time last night, lets just say i was shocked, saying they gh up and slin etc im like damn i was bigger than that natural, but at least they are trying.
Great post. There are way to many young people using and abusing steroids and giving us all A bad name. These kids need to learn how train naturally and eat properly first and then if they are still working out by the time they hit 30 ( most won't be) then maybe think about steroids.