+ 18 H20 based Testosterone Suspension
As some of you may know, I'm a water based Testosterone Suspension Junkie. I love everything about it. I love the way it makes me feel. I love to use it as a pre-workout, I love that it is the strongest Testosterone available. I love that I feel it immediately upon injection.
That being said, I found an interesting article on Test Suspension. Tests were run on 20 thoroughbred racehorses with water based suspension and it was determined that the median terminal half life for water based suspension was 39 hours. What ED? That's bullshit. There isn't an ester attached to suspension. No my friend there is not. However, the solids in the suspension take time to dissolve.
What I found incredibly interesting about the test is the fact that one week later testosterone levels peaked again.
Whatchoo talkin' bout Ed?
That's right kids Test levels came back up to another kick ass peak similiar to the initial peak. This secondary peak was attributed to the dissolution of testosterone from the solid material in the suspension.
What they found with the suspension was that it actually took around a month for the shit to work its way completely out of the system of the horses.
So what's the point Ed?
My point is this.
First, If you are running water based suspension alone, you could probably run it ED and keep test levels stable if in fact the half life is mimicked in humans as it is in horses.
Second, If you are running water based suspension in your cycle, it may be a good idea to plan ahead. Don't be thinking that you can take water based suspension and one week later pass an athletic drug test .
Finally, I think a secondary peak of testosterone is kick ass. However, I think stability is important. You probably shouldn't bank on stability if you are running water based suspension.
Just my two cents. I could be wrong. I welcome any input.
Also, I don't think that TNE would give the same result. The Testosterone is dissolved and In my opinion would exit the system much quicker. Which may also give a testosterone crash that you don't get with water based suspension.
This is the study if you are looking for an interesting read:
http://www.rmtcnet.com/resources/An_interlaboratory_study_of_the_pharmac...
I welcome any input or thoughts on the subject. I by no means know what the hell I'm talking about. So other input would kick ass.
All my love, no homo
Ed.
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Hey ED-
Just tried TNE for first time-
I know you are a water junkie and that's what I thought I was ordering - regardless I now know TNE is still oil-
I shot up this am and had an am and pm workout -
My pm workout was legs and I smashed all personal best and the ease at which I did was very surprising -
Any advice for a first time TNE user would be appreciated
For sure man. Definitely something I wouldn't have planned for. I've got both TNE and h20 suspension on hand so I'm certainly intrigued to compare. Seems like some peeps swear by TNE while others don't rate it at all.
I tried suspension this run and not to shabby, but it's kept freezing up. I had to poke myself 3 times (no homo), just to get 1 cc in. Imo tne, is the way to go. Plus suspension hurts like a bih, going in.
You kind of have to work the plunger back and forth with the h20
Being as it is water-based, couldn't you just pin this sub-q rather than IM?
I may be way off, but wouldn't you get these benefits?
- make it's characteristics less spiky
- less aromatase
- no welts and lumps like esters done sub-q
Also I don't think ANYBODY would have a problem with, say, 2 sub-q pins a day, rather than 2 IM pins a day...
Since I'm new to this, could somebody please enlighten me as to where I'm going wrong with this thought process? Thanks!
Good question. I've never pinned h20!suspension sub q. Always intramuscularly. It could give pretty nasty pip to some especially those sensitive to h20 based pip. I'll give it a try next time I get on cycle. Nice thoughts. +2 for stumping me.
Thanks! That was my first ever karma, I'm a noob here...
I'd be really interested in your results on that!
I did some research, looking for first-hand accounts on pinning test sub-q and got pretty conflicting results...
Most people that were raving about it were actually pinning prop and cyp.
One dude even wrote that he didn't feel shit pinning h20-test sub-q (tried it for ed for a week) but felt huge immediate effects doing the same injection IM...
That research also lead me to a different question you guys might have answers too: Most people agree that supplementing T during trt takes a few weeks to kick in... Why is that? Shouldn't you feel something almost instantly? At least feel a bit more horny or something?
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RustyhookerRead this post before and find it interesting. You really use a nail to drive this home? Winny i ran last....22 was used. Bleh. Lol
Lol. I don't know why but I never get pip from suspensions.
Bump for relevancy.
AnonThat's good stuff right der
Well the composition of a thouroughbred horse muscle might have something to do with it? They do contain a fair amount of what is known as "isometric contraction muscles" basically they are muscles that will contract but not provide much for movement. It would be this type of muscle that is activated involuntarily as a horse stands. And horses do stand for long periods of time. I could be way off. Maybe some of the hormone gets trapped in these muscles and are only activated while the horse layes around. Horses like people have fast twitch and slow twitch muscles.
I don't know bro. I don't think that would matter. I never get a hard crash from suspension. That signals to me a slower absorption rate than tne
I'd like to hear if anyone has ran both, TNE and suspension on same days? has anyone ever ran a TNE and prop blended? I've heard of subQ test injections.. has anyone tried subQ with suspension?
How's the pip?
Doesn't bother me, but I've heard some have issues with it.
Just wondered. I remember running the old vet Winny with a 22. Lol...i survived.
I run it with a 23. I think it's a little too small though. Takes a little work to pick up the big chunks
Very cool! Thanks for the info!
I like TNE as a pre-workout compound....but I'm not convinced of it's value in a long-term cycle. Running it ED would obviously increase the chances of it significantly cintributing to solid gains, so when I'm using it, I run it ED----sometimes twice a day.
In other words, if you're going to use it, use it often if you want long-term gains from it.
Just my 02 based on my experience with it.
We have toyed with the idea of offering it, but Grrrl insists that it has to be absolutley top-notch before we do, and we haven't had time to really delve into it yet.
I think TNE and water suspension are going to have quite different characteristics. I think the TNE is going to hot harder for a shorter period of time making it as you say ineffective in long term solid gains, however if humans see the results similar to horses, the h20 based carries a little more significant half life, and in my opinion would probably be a great kicker for a long ester cycle, possible effective in an every day pinning cycle if one could handle it. I don't think TNE would work the same way. Could be wrong.
It has its utility which I appreciate. After going "clean" for awhile it's a nice way to catapult into a cycle until ester based compounds really kick in. As a pre-workout, it's great especially if you want to really focus on something in particular for extra oomph...say a heavy compound exercise. And sometimes, as an indulgence using before going out for the night. At this point, I personally don't see using it as base as it's just not convenient to have to pin at at least 2 times day, every single day. Maybe test ace would serve that purpose at some point for ED purposes as it's supposedly smoother than prop...though prop is quite tolerable. It's commendable to have high standards and not just put something out there to fill a product niche...it suggests something very good about a source.
I'm a TNE user myself but was curious about the characteristics of suspension. It looks like it would have it's uses, but for my purposes the secondary peak isn't what I would want. The distinctions between suspension and TNE here are useful if they can be verified. Interesting topic and interesting read. +1
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Thanks brother.
Well this should work perfect for me! After all I am a STUD!
The majority of horses tested were guildings so you should be covered there as well.
Funny!
AnonOMG! lol
As soon as I look up guilding you and I may be having a talk Mr.
Sorry I spelled Gelding wrong.
Gelding.
Well.... as soon as I look up Gelding! you and I may be having a talk... LOL
It's a horse that has had his testicles removed.
Gelded baby.
Really? LOL DUH!
It's all good brother. We are all gelded by artificial test anyways.
CleyonBwahahaha! Don't talk badly about my M&Ms! Some told me I had big brass ones the other day, and I just look at them with the "You know nothing!" look.
I'm intrigued. Honestly! I was waiting for a punch line or a "Siiike". +1 from me ED. Excellent info and I'm going to have to research this now. I'm interested. I don't mind pip.
Come on brother, there is a serious and soft side to the big Ed. Not very damn often though.
Suspension is something ive been looking into recently, and quite frankly ED, i love the idea!
How do you prefer to use it?
I like it pre-work out 100 mg or 50 mg. Depending on the day. Or sometimes if I'm going into something that I need a little crazy like killing a hooker
. I'll pin before hand.
cycoThis is great info. I have a special love for T- suspension. I first tried it,while working out with some well known powerlifters. I was maybe 20 years old,and seen these guys go to the locker room dragging ass. They would be in there for a good hour,or so. When they came out they were pumped up,and lifting big weight. So i asked about it,and well next day i was jabbed with a cc of 100 mgs in the delt. Burned like hell it's self,but dam i felt like god. Went from a shaky 365 bench press max a week ago,to 405 lb for 2 easy. I was sold,and bought a 10 pack. I play with it these days,run 1-2 bottles straight . I go every day shots,the first 10 days. Then run it every other day for the last 10 days. Now this explains why i still got great results. I felt a high drive for little over 48 hours,with 1 cc. Thanks,for the post.
Thanks for the input brother. If indeed the results in humans are like they are in horses that would make perfect sense that you were getting the same results ten days later when you ran it EOD. That 7th day peak could have been filling in the EOD gaps.
Nice post but my ass cheeks are hurting just reading it. I've never been able to pin anything water based without lots of pip.
That's definately the downside to water based. I honestly haven't had a problem with h20 based, but that's me. We all react differently.
Back in the day, I had no problem blasting water based winny with the boxing kangaroo on it. Then something changed. My muscles turned into sissies I guess.
I've never ran water winny. But I've heard the pip on winny is worse that test. But that's just hearsay. I could be wrong.
Thanks brother.
Hard to say. I've never ran Test Ace. Similiar half life. However the Test suspension doesn't have the attached ester so the concentration of testosterone is higher in test suspension.
I imagine the pip is a little higher in suspension, but couldn't tell you from experience.
The are both Testosterone No Ester attached (TNE) However suspension is water based undissolved Testosterone, and TNE is Oil based dissolved Testosterone.