+ 12 Guys wtf are we all doing???
So one of my close friends and training partner is an ifbb pro. He's 3 weeks out right now from his show so i bring up the subject of whats your off season cycle going to look like? He's 5'9 steps on stage around 250lbs sub 4% bf so hes a big big guy. His offseason cycle is going to be 4ius of gh, 750mg of test and 600mg of eq, because he "heard from another guy that there is no additional benefit going any higher then 600." On top of that he said " I might even bring the eq down to 400mg." So this is a dude who walks around offseason at 275 and hes running a little over a gram of gear. And dont bother saying hes lying hes a very close friend of mine. So at this point hes got his size so I'm thinking to myself he must have ran some heavy cycles back in the day to get to where hes at so i ask him. He says we used to run 2 10 week test deca cycles a year, 2mls of each per week. So I'm thinking ok 500mg of test 500mg deca. He says no, back then everything was pharm grade 100mg/ml, so his cycles were 200mg of test and 200mg of deca for 10 weeks twice a year. Oh and hes never ever used insulin before in his life. Its sad 99% of us are running more gear then an ifbb pro, myself included at times. Some of the bigger dudes here are running 4-5 times what hes running, but this guys a professional and at 10% bf ( He would never let himself get above 6% ever) he'd be close to 300lbs. He's old school when it comes to diet, really low fat, moderate carbs and HIGH protein, I'm talking 600-700 grams a day everyday.
Moral of the story, i think almost all of us need to take a step back and look at our diets, training and sleep, and most importantly be patient. Building a quality physique takes years and years of hard work and dedication. Not 1 heavy winter bulker.
What do you guys think about this? genetics of the gods? Super responder to gear? crazy discipline when it comes to diet training and rest? Its not the gear cause hes running the same stuff alot of us are using.
I just wanted to share this with you and show you not all pros are running huge amount of gear, this guys running what we would consider a intermediate cycle, but you bet your ass hes gonna grow like a weed this offseaon on those doses.
That is all.
Btw I'm trying to get him on here, he says he wants to but hes an older dude, not to computer savy so one day ill help him make an account and show him how to navigate the site so he can share everything with us. His knowledge comes from first hand experience no reading forums. As he said when he started him and his friends were "guinea pigs", there was no internet, only what others were saying and trial and error.
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"You shot me in my ass Mike!" Lmao Funny ass movie
I know man but this is giving people false hopes. I Can't support that. Fuck it though , people can believe what they want. Merica'
Lol +1 from me for telling it like it is in this thread homie! And cus 'Merica!!
But yeah, BREATH MY DUDE lol
Bro, most of us won't attain that type of size with all the steroids slin and gh we can pump in our bodies. Even with 40 years of training. It takes a combo of superior genetics only one in a million get, a sick response to drugs and insane dedication to diet and training over years and years and years.
This is what worked for my friend, will it work for you or me? Na noway I'll ever get that big on those tiny doses or even with all the shit in the world. but I'm ok if I never make it to 260. I'll have fun trying over the next 30 years.
I strongly disagree with you . I hope you consider my invitation to post this same thread post at gh15:)
I knkw what gh15 would say. Americano bodybuild are biggest liars, you will never see 220 without 15ius of hgh to create more fibers" well there's one issues with his beliefs on hgh, it, nor the igf-1 it causes the liver to produce causes cell proliferation. It's ehen studied in humans and never once found to create new muscle fibers. Believe me I know all his teachings I've read the entire bible. Gh15 is a great forum for serious guys who wanna become monsters. And I knkw exactly how this thread will play out on his site as everyone on there believe 100% of what he says. They will all parrot the same thing, liar and impossible. But as with anything there's exceptions to every rule.
A great discussion is great bro keep up with your beliefs. That's what makes eriods great. We all have different perspectives on things and can learn from each other. Just to much stress and hassle to let yourself get so worked up :). Damn I'm getting old lmao and mellow( not soft)
Big softy
You sound like you spend a lot of time on getbig and gh15 am I correct?
I've been on gh15 since day 1. Feel free to check my account brambo1. I'm not saying everything on there is 100%, but it's the closest you're going to get.
Go ahead and send this post over there, you'll last about 5 minutes before being banned and laughed at.
I like gh15, he's right 95% of the time. The most informative board if you wanna take it to the next level. But the other 5% he's so wrong it's not even funny. 5"10 165 is the most someone can be on stage natty lol? Calling tonyTulu, pretty sure he competed natty at 5'7 in the 190s. Gh15 would say 5'7 135 natty.
AnonI thought that's who you were
Yes sir.
Lying about cycle dosages goes back to the dawn of steroids. I don't believe what anyone says they're running.
And at 6% BF year round, you're lying or he is soon to be dead.
Iron has already explained that it's our dieting and training methods. taking a step back and re evaluating those factors will yield a 5'9 250 5% physique on 3 cc of test a week and 4iu growth
Damn, I have been doing it wrong. It took me grams of test and tren to get to 250lbs/10% at 6'1". I couldn't maintain the cost of gear to stay that size.
You're 24 years old homie, come back when you been doing this for 4 decades. You've been alive for half the time this guys been training.
Okay first of all bro , I've been training for almost 9 years, half of that natural , I don't need someone like you telling me what's up. By your profile, you jumped on sauce with no base whatsoever. You know jack shit about training and dieting . You have no authority to be making these posts
So I'm correct, you're a gh15 pupil, it's obvious in your posts. And naturally I put on 55lbs before I ever touched gear, could I have gone farther? Idk I started at 125lbs at 21years old full grown so I doubt it. That was me pretty much maxed out. So id say I bullt a decent base
Like I said, gh15 isn't 100%(nothing really is) but the info on that board is the reason I'm where I am today. At my peak physique I hit 220 low singles which I consider very respectable. I don't want to get bigger, but if I did I certainly wouldn't be lowering my dose. Infact I've taken a step back because it's just too much!
Ya. I'm actually natural. I joined here so I could learn all I could about these treacherous steroid chemicals so I could make sure my good friends would never try them either. Nasty things they are - these steroids. LMAO Did I convince you???
Why don't you share about your 260lb ifbb pro trainer who got his pro card before ever using growth. Generics rule all
Bro, my trainer got his pro card using the GH I gave him to try. He was fully on GH when he turned pro. If I said something to mislead you about that, my bad bro.
He was on 4ius of hygepeptides during what the last 8 weeks of his prep? I don't count that as growth hormone. That was his first time using it. He build that 260lb physique without ever using hgh. Just going by what you told me
you aren't natty?
Oh shucks ma'am. Well, the day of the show I'm pretty natty. No? I till this day don't know why the guys at my gym nicknamed me GearHead . . . . LOL
I assumed you were "gearhead" because you are very fond of automobiles?
Lol.. Nice
well damn.. I thought it was because of your baseball hat
Iron no offense ... But I can't figure you out man. You run every substance under the sun, attack others for the same mentality then peddle the same lame old stories from the"pros" of yesteryear about how they only took a dbol tab a day, went pro and placed with Zane.
This^^^
My heaviest cycle has been 600mg test with 600mg npp with provi and dbol lasted about 3 weeks before destroying my appetite. Is that heavy to you? I've tried on two occasions to run 900mg of test but due to umderdosing it was really 250mgs and about 400mgs. Shit I still have never even gotten real tren. But I somehow I've managed to make some insane gains over the years.
If you have the knowledge I won't tell anyone not to run something. If someone on there second cycle wants to run 3 grams of gear of couse I'm gonna shut them down. Da faq would you do give them the go ahead? That's irresponsible
^Salute!
Just realized this "pro" iron knows runs 1/4 the amount of gear Arnold did back in the day(Arnold's supposed use ) AND is much bigger. This story is too much. im out
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LOL. i can't even take this post serious. Bodybuilders lie about cycles and gear abuse all the time. They all want people to think they have superior genetics and perfect training and dieting. You really want me to believe this guy knows how to train and diet 100x more efficiently ? Last time I checked we all eat the same foods, we all use the same machines and weights. You're not with him 24/7 you have no idea what he's really doing. Obviously response to hormones plays a huge role but to come on here and try to belittle the rest of us with this bogus story is disgusting. Your friend is a steroid abuser and has been for many decades. He also uses growth and yes he uses insulin. You need to wake the fuck up bro and stop thinking the pros are these gods among us.
As big willy once told me, time is anabolic.38 years is a long long time. Believe what you want.
Yup a long time to be on the sauce. I believe he has the physique you're stating, but how he got there and how he maintains it just absolute BS. The human body cannot maintain that much mass at such low body fat levels without EXTREME amounts of gear.
Sorry bro but it's the truth, this isn't some random dude at the gym, it's one of my closest friends. Everything is 100% fact. I'm actually gonna help him with his first insulin run this offseason. He has no idea how to use it.
I think your friend is actually a T-800 terminator . Be careful
Back in the 80's our cycles were always smaller than the ones I see regularly see outlined on here
Man if he isn't screwing with you this guy must be a genetic freak. But then again to make it to the IFBB you have to be anyway so I suppose it's possible. Got a lifelong friend who's natural and deadlifts 495 squats 455 and benches 365 at 185 and has abs all year long while eating whatever he wants so I'm not surprised. Genetics is everything in this game
I got one of those to, god I hate him lol, all natural 6'2 235 with abs. When we were in college his diet consistented of 20 beers a night and a big calzone and that's it. And somehow always maintained that size.
That's an incredible story because the mass your friend has is way beyond what the body can maintain on its own. I'm in the same situation. An HRT or light dose of some other compound is not gonna let me walk around carrying 50 lbs. of muscle in excess of my natty potential.
Guess after 38 years the body gets somewhat used to it, that plus his cruise dose is 400mg of test ew.
The body doesn't get used to it. It's constantly trying to go back to a state of homeostasis. Walking around with 50-75 pounds of muscle beyond your natural state is not something your body wants. That's why you have to ramp up doses to maintain the added mass.
So he doesn't really run low doses of gear does he? He's permanently on at least 400mg of test per week.....
I would call 400mg ew a pretty low cruise dose for someone that size. As for if he's always on 400 idk, ic have to ask. Doubt he ever comes off he's an old dude.
This is now starting to sound more realistic . . .
rxagentCompletely unhealthy to be walking around at that low of a body fat year round. 8% tops in the off season?
This whole thread is a fairy tale.