+ 12 Guys wtf are we all doing???
So one of my close friends and training partner is an ifbb pro. He's 3 weeks out right now from his show so i bring up the subject of whats your off season cycle going to look like? He's 5'9 steps on stage around 250lbs sub 4% bf so hes a big big guy. His offseason cycle is going to be 4ius of gh, 750mg of test and 600mg of eq, because he "heard from another guy that there is no additional benefit going any higher then 600." On top of that he said " I might even bring the eq down to 400mg." So this is a dude who walks around offseason at 275 and hes running a little over a gram of gear. And dont bother saying hes lying hes a very close friend of mine. So at this point hes got his size so I'm thinking to myself he must have ran some heavy cycles back in the day to get to where hes at so i ask him. He says we used to run 2 10 week test deca cycles a year, 2mls of each per week. So I'm thinking ok 500mg of test 500mg deca. He says no, back then everything was pharm grade 100mg/ml, so his cycles were 200mg of test and 200mg of deca for 10 weeks twice a year. Oh and hes never ever used insulin before in his life. Its sad 99% of us are running more gear then an ifbb pro, myself included at times. Some of the bigger dudes here are running 4-5 times what hes running, but this guys a professional and at 10% bf ( He would never let himself get above 6% ever) he'd be close to 300lbs. He's old school when it comes to diet, really low fat, moderate carbs and HIGH protein, I'm talking 600-700 grams a day everyday.
Moral of the story, i think almost all of us need to take a step back and look at our diets, training and sleep, and most importantly be patient. Building a quality physique takes years and years of hard work and dedication. Not 1 heavy winter bulker.
What do you guys think about this? genetics of the gods? Super responder to gear? crazy discipline when it comes to diet training and rest? Its not the gear cause hes running the same stuff alot of us are using.
I just wanted to share this with you and show you not all pros are running huge amount of gear, this guys running what we would consider a intermediate cycle, but you bet your ass hes gonna grow like a weed this offseaon on those doses.
That is all.
Btw I'm trying to get him on here, he says he wants to but hes an older dude, not to computer savy so one day ill help him make an account and show him how to navigate the site so he can share everything with us. His knowledge comes from first hand experience no reading forums. As he said when he started him and his friends were "guinea pigs", there was no internet, only what others were saying and trial and error.
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Nope this is real life for this guy. He doesn't try to stay that low, he doesnt do cardio, he's in his 50s and that's where his body likes to be I guess. It's all in his diet
X2...diet...patience...dedication...time
RustyhookerDude has the full combo of perfection and performance. Learn all ya can from him.
Hopefully he can get here....
I try man, I soak up everything he tells me. He's all about starting with the lowest amount possible, then adding a little more and measuring progress and if you aren't progressing more with the higher dose you go back to the lower dose. He's huge on the protein, wants me taking in 500 grams a day everyday.
Rustyhooker500 grams of protein a day will destroy your kidneys. The byproduct of metabolism is ammonia.
True...maybe he takes other drugs to reduce ammonia...like lactulose...
You get big from carbs anyway, not protein lol. Thanks for pointing out another flaw in his post
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Maybe not all is as you've been led to believe or maybe he's just very lucky. It's not always realistic to be 100% truthful about everything,
I can't work out your BF comments btw. He's 250 sub 4%, but walks around at 275lbs without exceeding 6% BF????? No pro bodybuilder remains at 6% year round, it's not practice long term.
Believe me, hes 100% truthful with me, very very close friend. Hes a freak, but also hes been at this for 38 years. He'll step on stage under 4% at 250. He started his prep this year at a little over 5%bf. Maybe he'll get up to 8% in the offseason, but i dont even think he gets this high. I agree with you 6% is insane to maintain impossible for most, but when you add pharm grade gh it becomes pretty damn easy especially when your diet is like his. He doesnt even do cardio EVER. Doesnt use fat burners, thyroid hormones etc, only diet and he keeps it perfect year round.
So you watch him 24/7? You live with him? He is just telling you this bullshit so you won't end up a complete addict like he is. He wants you to believe it's his "training and dieting" no it's his massive steroid growth and slin abuse for decades
Some are lucky. My training partner never trains and but has a better mid section than almost anyone. Some also respond exponentially better to gear than others. There's the odd one I've see here and there over the years, runs 300mg test and blows up 40lbs.
The harsh reality at a pro level for most is you guys would be amazed just how much gear gets used. Most of them would hide it from everyone for good reason. Some of it makes 99% of what you see here look like child's play.
That said, the sentiment of what you're saying is very true. Everyone is in a rush, I guess that's a modern fact of life. People are less patient in most walks of life, people are busier and just generally have less time to achieve more.
Not even just the pro level, even the top national competitors are taking boat loads of everything just like the pros. Bodybulding has became chemical warfare man. I can't stand the look of most of today's top pros. The end of the era was dorian, kevin, Nasser, flex etc. bring back those types of physiques. Not these guys with massive guts and poor conditioning.
Why would u want to do that when we can be like Boston Lloyd three cc baby lol. Unfortunately this age guys want it now with little to no work. So they pump themselves up full of aas. It's a great post I've heard rumors of some old school guys running very moderate cycles before. I've got a buddy that competes and he runs nothing compared to some of these guys second or third cycles( u know the ones I'm talking about they run a cycle made up by a website that consist of six or more things). It's a great reminder that physiques are made over years of hard work and dedication not simply by pumping more steroids into u. Plus two I like the idea of earning what u get and not the dumbass Boston Lloyd way
lol be like 3cc and die at age 30. I bet you his first cycle was 1500mg of test 1000mgs of deca 1000mgs of eq and tons of orals. I watched his last video on his prep cycle for his last show and his doses were fucking insane man he was running 4grams of test at one point along with literally 20 other drugs. Idk how you dont feel like total shit on all that. I would most likely die, or if I was lucky and didnt die I would probably need to lay in bed and sleep all day long.
He wasn't running that much , once again you're assuming he had every vial and compound tested with 100% accuracy LOL!! Damn bro you are one gullible mother fker
AnonIt's easy to explain his insane cycles. He's full of shit. He runs a lot of gear but he runs off at the mouth even more.