Asking help for a friend/ learn from this guys mistake
hey guys , this a question that my little buddy asked me and he needs your help. this guy is like a brother to me, i couldnt answer it but maybe one of you guys can. so this guy is 20, has good gym xp.
so he moved to another state and he secretly did his first cycle with out telling me, it was test @ 750mg per week and Deca @ 250 mg/week and he ran dbol for the 2-3 weeks @ 50 mgs.
he ran the cycle for 10 weeks
any ways he fucked up on the pct,
he ran nolva @ 40 for the first week and nolva @20 for the second week.
and he ran adex @ 1 mg for two weeks.
he ran finished his cycle in mid april , so that was three month ago.
he is still having joint problems (probably from the adex) which is getting better.
and he got completely shutdown. he says that he is getting better.
like before he couldnt get it up for like 6 weeks after pct. and now he can achieve an erection but not a strong one. he got a blood test done and the doctor told him that
test levels were normal
prolactin levels are normal
thyroid levels are high (because his dumb ass was running clen for some reason)
anyways this guy is depressed so anyone got advice?
I think that he is just recovering so its guna take a few month to get back to normal. but he doesnt think he will get back to normal.
will this get better for him? he scheduled an appointment with the endocrinologist? what should he tell em that he did steroids? or that he cant get it up? he is worried that he will be on trt but i dont see how?
i also think he should run clomid, will clomid alone shut him down??
this a lesson to always follow correct pct
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I have to agree with naguib123 thats entirely too much for him to have ran as a new comer to AAS, none the less like ollie said thats not to much different from the cycles "experienced" user advice on here. PCTing incorrectly can increase the depression of off cycling not to mention being young, inexperienced, and maturety can also factor in with this depression because if your not familar with the changes your body goes thru during your off cycle it can trigger an intensifacation affect to your depression meaning alot of it is in his head. No one that cycles regularly looks forward to off cycle, but when your experienced your aware of the changes and know you have full control of your actions. Sometimes when people get depressed they go to the extremes on mopein around and making excuses. I am not saying theres anything at all wrong with your friend or insulting him in any way, im just sharing my piece of advice. Dont take me saying he might be immature as a insult because we all were that age at one time and for those of us that are 30+ we look back at how much our way of thinking has changed. Research is a highly enforced subject around here because the fact were are taking drugs for non-gradification purposes and more for health reasons when,why, and how are questions everyone should be looking for the answer to before they ever make a decision to use any AAS. That being said whats done is done, but this is something you might want to talk to him about. I wish I still had the natty test production a 20 year old has, I promise you if I did I wouldnt be resorting to artificial test
Post his picture that way we can asst him better.
naguib123lol imagine big hulk looking dude turning into a medium/fat looking guy. went from 225 lb to 180
Anonthere is a pct protocol that can be followed and has been a sucsess for a many guys who have posted logs days by day to report there progress, no hcg on cycle imo is not a good idea and deca is notorious for hard shut down so these two together is going to do this.
If i can post a link to the recovery protocol i will, but i will wait for a MOD to say yes i can or no i cant. If i can'nt by all means PM me and i will point you in the direction of it. people fuck up, it happens, but in most case there is a way back even if it takes time.
people have been complety shut down and this has helped them get there life back on track. Either way i hope he sorts it out and learns from it
naguib123thanks for the pm bro, i ll get him on it asap.
Anonby all means post the link
AnonJust curious, but what gains did he get from cycle and what did he loss and how quickly did he loss it post cycle
naguib123He gained 45 lb , lost it all due to injury with his joints with in 3 month. classic steroid abuse/ garbage pct story
Clen makes my thyroid function lower when I have it tested o-o.. not higher... And honestly clen fucks with your thyroid and I think it is RETARDED to use during PCT or a lil after when your trying to make everything go back to normal... For one deca suppresses his thyroid and playing with testosterone also screw with his thyroid.. on top of that he's now taking CLEN??? He needs to stop touching everything.. JUST LEAVE IT ALL ALONE.. He's just adding to his problems by taking more drugs =/ ... If the problems persist I would see a endocrinologist and be COMPLETELY honest.. A regular doctor is going to tell you "steroids are bad, mkay"..
naguib123exactly what I'm saying. well i stopped him from continuing clen. does high thyroid diminish ur sex drive
AnonI have to shake my head.. depression is quite normal after a cycle.. the lenght of time depends upon the individual. If it last longer than six to eight months I recommend an endo and the absolute truth. Your thyroid is very important in maintaining good endocrine functioning. Did the doc recommend anything? are you certain he was using clen as normally it does not interfere with thyroid function like that. Did he take any T4/3?? If he is actually going to the doctor being less than honest can and most likely will be detrimental and interfere with effective treatment.
naguib123yea he was running clen @ 200 mcg for a week. he didnt take t4/3. will running clomid for 2 weeks alone help him. and no the regular doctor sees him as normal person ,was just suprised at the thyroid level cuz they were high. she refered him to a endocrinologist