posted Sun, 03/18/2018 - 09:42
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Recomping on 500 mg of test? :)
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so right now i'm about 286... I have started my diet recently (350-400 grams of protein a day, 100-150 grams of carbs a day, 75-100 grams of fats a day from peanut butter mostly)
my bf% is still pretty high probably at least 25%
now i've never tried to actually cut AND gain muscle but I know its possible.....
anyone with tips who has actually done this? I suspect ist probably easier for people who are lighter and with less muscle mass...
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JayD718If you trying to loose weight, then I think that you're consuming too much of all three, protein, carbs, and fats. Especially consuming that much fat from peanut butter is a bad idea. A large portion of the fat in peanut butter, is in the form of saturated fat. I myself, was on the heavy side, when I first began working out, and was able to loose much of that fat while training. Even though you weigh 286, since a lot of it is fat, you don't need that much protein as you're consuming to build muscle. A lot of that protein is going to go straight to fat, instead of muscle! Your carbohydrate intake seems about right, but like I said your fat intake is considerably high, especially since the majority is coming from peanut butter, which has a very high amount of saturated fat. You do need some saturated fat to build muscle, but peanut butter shouldn't be one of your major sources of fat, especially while trying to loose weight! Also, I think you would be better off focusing on loosing weight first, and then trying to build some more muscle. From how you describe your body composition, I also believe that you would be much better off, by cutting up and loosing weight first, and then bulking up. A lot of people while attemping to recomp, tend to find it very difficult, and end up wasting their time. What lots of people do while recomping, and actually what I've done a couple times in the past, is do like a one or two week cutting period, and one or two week bulking period, type of regimen. Like for instance, you can focus on loosing weight for one or two weeks, and then, focus on building muscle for one or two weeks. That's really the only way that recomping actually works. If you're attempting to loose weight and build muscle simultaneously, it's going to be very difficult, and if not impossible to accomplish. Also, if you're trying to loose weight and build muscle, maybe you should consider stacking test with tren, or test with Sermorelin. Just a thought.
My advice at 25% is not to recomp. Cut the fat away to 15-16 then blast a nice cycle
Maybe I'm doing it wrong but whenever I cut and I'm on gear I'll loose the desired BF amount (usually around 10%) and I'll tend to gain quiet a bit of muscle on top (scales don't move as much as I would of thought). This would be a slight illusion as dropping BF creates the imagine of more muscle however.
Steroids are beautiful things.
Alot of that gain is likely due to the increased glycogen loading caused by the AAS and not so much muscle.
Solid answer.
I imagine most of it is. Some of it would be lean muscle I would gamble though as my recent cuts/recomps included tren is a hell of a drug.
I would like to add in not recommending the OP runs tren I was adding my anecdotal thoughts to the discussion.
Honestly getting down to about 15-18% and then starting is much safer and effective manner. You need good old diet and cardio. At 286 my guess is you are probly 28-30% if you aren’t over 6 feet. I’ve been where you are. Well I was 250 natty. Lost 45 lbs no supps. cycling and I can tell you oh man was it worth it.
DonaldPumpIt can be done bro, but I would absolutely just focus on getting the body fat down first. More than likely what happens when you try to chase two goals at once is that you don't end up reaching either of them. I think you could even get away with less test than that too if you decide to just cut. Everyone is always hung upon that 500mg number...
At 25% you’re wasting the test. Lots of conversion to estro. I agree with the others, cut first. Anabolics are way more effective when you’re lean.
To answer your question, no. When I cut or recomp it’s on 300mg. No need to add in more unwanted estrogen.
But at 25% definitely not. You need to strictly cut and THEN recomp or bulk. Feel free to look at my pictures and friend request me and you’ll see I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Honestly I think recomps work best for guys who are really out of shape. Once you’re already sliced and diced there just isn’t progress to be had unless you commit to a cut or bulk. That being said, you don’t need any kinds of drugs for it. Do it naturally and cut down to around 200. Take it slow, do I in a year. You’ll put muscle on too if you’re eating right.
Living4ThePumpI think with a BF of 20+ you‘ll be better off trying to really cut instead of recomp. Recomp is possible but very hard with a higher BF since you have much more fat to lose. When leaner you‘d only have to move less aggressive in each direction (muscle gain/fat loss).
Just cut for a reasonable amount of time, moderate deficit. No worries about muscle loss with enough protein, maintained training intensity and you‘re fine. Then when lean, start a nice and clean bulk.
Regards
basskiller89Sounds like you're trying to catch a whale with a net
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/spinning-your-wheels
Here ya go. I think it would be good to start here to be honest.
highlord99well actually I am one of the gifted few!
RustyhookerCut and gain is a huge struggle. At best, youll drop scale pounds on recomp but its not easy when bf is higher. A full cutter is easier because its one direction.
I cut long ago on the ebc from 205 to 181. Simple cycle. Foods with no cheats or goofs. Cycled carbs...one refeed per week. 2-1hr sessions on treadmill in anaerobic zone. Not cardio zone. Plus workout 3on 1 off. Can post final pics if needed.
It sucked but made it. Youre on cycle now, so you gonna let bloods/body recover at least 2 months?
highlord99on TRT fat boy
RustyhookerLooking at the pix.... high five fatty! Lol
Trt and perma blast still jacks up cholesterol etc. You gonna run bloods?
highlord99perhaps