posted Sat, 04/01/2023 - 11:30
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+ 2 Boxing politics once again huh? We are the suckers
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Well well well @Bill1976 here we go again with the politics of boxing. This is getting rediculous man. It's pure and simple..the BEST AREN'T FIGHTING THE BEST...PERIOD! Us pure boxing fans were supposed to have already seen Crawford vs. Spence along with many other top fights, now Usyk and Fury fight fell out. It's crazy man. I understand money plays a part but what about legacy? Even Roy Jones said nowadays this a a big problem. Back in the 80's and 90's the best fought the best regardless and the promoters didn't get in the way of that, hell in fact they encouraged it.
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That tells me you actually think Tyson was a regular Joe Blow heavyweight lmao. C'mon You a boxing fan. Figured u knew better lol. Was he the best ever? No, but my point is the potential was definitely there. I rest my case brother. Work on that list bro hahaha.
Don’t forget rocky Marciano. People say his footwork wasn’t good but it was genius. Stayed just out of reach then pushed off with his back foot to get inside to land the power punch and stay inside. He could powerpunch non stop for 15 rounds
Yes Rocky was rugged as hell. He would brawl with Tyson but....
Good post with great discussions
Well Endeavor Group the parent owner of UFC is buying WWE so the both will merge into a new company. Think any of the WWE showmanship will pollute the UFC?
Hope not! I’m a big UFC fan, and have definitely noticed some of the initial antics, especially by Connor McGregor. Hence his comment to Khabib when he was getting smashed that it’s only business. Connor knows how to sell a pay per view. I tried to buy tickets to an upcoming UFC event, and the cheapest ticket is $400. They can go Fk themselves! Opted for a Cage Fury event instead at $120.00 per ticket. Great seats at that! You may see us on TV. I should wear an eroids shirt, LOL. Anyway, it’s only a matter of time before the UFC is just as bad as the WWE, although, you can’t fake fight in the UFC. No disrespect to the WWE, because I’m the first to say that half of the fake shit they do would still hurt me, so I’m definitely not talking shit on them, although they’re in between match theatrics are only entertaining children and simpletons. But like I said, even a plastic chair smashed across my face would be very undesirable, so no lack of respect for the shit those guys go through, and probably get paid crap to do it.
Sigh. Fury isn’t ducking. Fury wanted 70/30 split husk accepted and was made out to be a hero only to demand a rematch’. Fury agreed. Guess what uysk demanded the rematch be 70/30 in his favor so technically a true 50/50 situation. Fury said no. Rematch is 50/50. Uysk never even went back to negotiate he instantly stopped his training camp and went home. So in reality uysk pulled the plug Over 20% spread across two fights. 60/40 split to fury is fair uysk has no drawing power so really fury was being fair in the end and uysk opted out.
We can say what we want but fact of the matter is boxing needs more transparency. Alot of promoters LIE PERIOD. Alot of promoters are the reason why big fights aren't being made and that came straight out of Roy Jones mouth. Can't be debated. That's just what it is. Trashy ass promoters. We should of already seen Crawford vs. Spence... Prime example
Actually what boxing needs is ONE governing body. But it’ll never happen because of the commissions. Boxing sucks I love it but it but it sucks.
Been a fan since I was a kid and boxed also. All the alphabet belts are a joke...WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, IBC, NABF...the list goes on. I'm no expert but I know boxing bro. Not even mentioning the wbc having 3 or 4 different champs in the same weight division. Damn shame. It might of recently changed. I'm a fan but I look for facts.
It’s not just wbc the 3 other major titles have secondary belts as well. Just a way for them to make money man. What I really don’t like is when a guy moves up and wins a non sense title like tank Davis at 140 when they had an undisputed 140 champ at the time and then they say oh Davis is now a x amount division champ. That’s really dumb.
Yep dumb shit. For some reason thought the other majors did away with those secondary titles. Unbelievable. I see why guys turned to UFC, I never will but I get it. And yeah if someone is an undisputed champ in a division no one else in that division should hold a major belt and be recognized. But like you said and we know it's about MONEY...sanctioning fees.
What’s really sad is that boxing has become a primarily gambling opportunity platform. Hence all the different belts. That’s where the big money lies, especially since online gambling became legal. That one big fight every few months no longer fulfills the greed of modern day business men. They want more events, and have to make them all seem important. This Fury fight will definitely happen, but they just have to build it up a little more. I give it until the end of April to mid May when we all hear the great news that the fight will go on. All this bullshit has us all talking, and talking to some people that weren’t so interested, until they realize it’s the cool thing to talk about and take interest in, LOL. They’re depending on the REAL boxing fans to bring this fight to fruition.
My bad @JakeKO just saw this. Yep it's all about the money my man. You better believe it!
Even Wilder said that he wasn't surprised that the fight fell out. He said Fury was that type of person. I don't agree with alot of things Wilder says but I think he's speaking truth on this one.
Not the case according to most boxing analysts. Yes 60/ 40 is fair and not 70/30 c'mon really? Way too many different stories are being said but fact of the matter is Usyk walked away and I and others don't blame him. Hell Joshua walked away from him also cause he had some crazy stipulations when they tried to make a fight. Somewhat of a pattern here. I look for facts and facts show Fury is the problem and I'm a fan of his. On top of that the rematch shouldn't be 50/50 split. Winner of first fight should get majority.
Your facts are wrong. Go on YouTube and look up frank warren watch his video where he reads the emails from uysk promoter. It’s all there black and white. Wrong again Joshua had a 60/40 split coming off back to loses and 3 in 5 who cares what other stipulation were made that’s a fuckin charity
I didn't mention anything about Joshua's split so I'm not wrong about Joshua. Fact is that Joshua just came off that last Usyk fight and Fury rushed a fight date and Joshua backed out. Again Wilder has negotiated with Fury 3 times so he knows how this guy operates better than you or I, so I don't think he has any reason to lie about Fury. You say it's all on YouTube but I guess me and those boxing analyst like Timothy Bradley missed it. I'll look into it but we ALL know that boxing promoters lie...FACT. We should of learned that from Don King lol.
Wilder also swore dude loaded his gloves he got drugged his corner fucked him etc etc. it’s hard to lie about emails he read and showed. So fury team lying but uysk telling the truth. Sure man your right. Here’s the fact they are both clowns and both fucked the fight up. Uysk n fury both to blame. Period
Wilder fans are the worst lmao with their conspiracy theories
Yea and he's a sore loser but that's irrelevant. His power needs to be respected.
emails? Shit man they all say that they got this email or that one so to me that doesn't hold water..hell nahh. I've seen that happen before..sooo. And yeah like I said I don't agree with Wilder on ALOT of things especially what you mentioned above. In fact lost respect for him but I'm just saying it seems to be a pattern and I think Wilder speaking truth for once. So I hear what you're saying but I side with those boxing analysts.
Meanwhile, guys like this are the real problem in the boxing world, giving bad and greedy advice all day long
@simonmagus84....only in AMERICA!
@JakeKO Simon is the Don King of eroids. Always negotiating some shit for entertainment purposes lol
100% straight slime. Ya know he beat a man to death over owed money and went to prison for that back in the day.
Yeah, he sucks! Totally screwed so may fighters. Especially, Tyson.
Worst thing to happen to Tyson was the death of Cus Da'mato, Robin Givens and Don King. Mike became his own worst enemy after that. I still say had Cus Da' mato lived longer Mike would of been the greatest of all time. Even other greats said that.
In my eyes Tyson was the greatest of all time up to this point. No need to go back and forth, but Tyson in his prime was untouchable, period. Late 80’s, early to mid 90’s was a great era of boxing, too many to list. Zab Judah, Naseem Hamed, a healthy Roy Jones Jr, it was great. The game has somewhat changed. Still a great sport, I was a karate guy myself, but always enjoyed watching the pugs. Terry Norris. That nasty fucker that ended Tommy Morrison lol. What was his name?
Mike Tyson is the best. Prime Tyson will knock anybody the fk out. I watch all him fights night after night I had the 2 tape VHS set up to his fight with Botha.
No boxing era like that one you mentioned. The Roy Jones/ Oscar era was best era I thought. The Sugar Ray era was second best in my opinion. And as far as Tyson.. agreed 100%. For a heavyweight to move that fast with his leg movement, punches, bob and weaves, uppercuts etc was beyond rediculous. Not to mention his power. With Cus I can't see how he wouldn't be the greatest. After Cus died it was all mental for him. We gotta remember and I hate to say it but Cus basically brain washed him. He became his robot and that's straight from Tysons mouth. Tyson said he would of died for Cus. I believe his crazy ass too.
You talking bout Ray Mercer? He did Tommy Morrison BAD!
Googled it lol, Merciless Ray Mercer.
I commented above same time you commented this lol. I knew it had to be Mercer.
Riddick Bowe, Shannon Briggs, even Larry Holmes was not a man to mess with, Tyson put him smooth on his ass though. I have a couple friends that were pros, I’m not going to say who as it would narrow things down too close, but I will say some nasty guys come out of England, beat the shit out of one of my friends. Fuck you Ricky Hatton lmao
Lol I remember that Tyson Holmes fight. They say Holmes was too old. Ok but after Holmes fought Tyson Holmes beat a few good top fighters at his age. Holmes had that great jab but it wasn't enough. Kinda felt sorry for him. If you watch that fight, before bell rang Ali is walking to Tyson corner and Tyson tells Ali he getting revenge for him lol.
Bahahaha the only fighter he beat after Tyson that was remotely close to even having a pulse was ray Mercer. He fought Tyson at 40 years old and 2 years out the ring
Really? Lol you act like Ray Mercer was a chump or something. Umm guess u didn't see that Tommy Morrison fight huh? Fact is you gave me your list and I chopped it up. Some of those names..c'mom man lmao.
Leaving Rooney second to cus dying.
I see you know boxing. All good
Yeah Rooney was a Cus disciple. Teddy was ok too. It was all Cus though. ( Ideas)
Teddy was a great trainer. Cus was a legend for him the best a slight notch above Emanuel steward nacho Eddie futch Lou duva and Roger Mayweather
Most people don’t know shit about boxing!
The way Cus trained Tyson, that side the side, pivoting aggressive style I just can't see those guys doing that for Tyson with respect to them. That was a perfect style for Tyson...perfect. But yea they all were great trainers
You say slightly? With respect to all those guys you mentioned. Also folks forget Cus trained lil bitty guy Floyd Patterson too.
I’m my opinion yes slightly they all are great and each has trained multiple world champs and HOFs
True. O ok. Man no fan boying but I don't think folks understand how un human Tyson was when he was with Cus. Man I kid u not, go back in look at him moving side to side and forward in the ring while Kevin Rooney throws punches at him. How the hell can anyone hit something moving that fast side to side and on top of all that...he's eventually gonna swing. Cmon man lol.
I love mike Tyson I think he’s a top 10-15 HW ever but I can name a handful of fighters that prime them vs prime mike they beat Tyson.
I dunno man, I can’t name one. His power was unmatched. Put that alongside his speed and technique? I can’t name one. I competed in kenpo tournaments when I was younger, full contact. I’m not afraid, but there’s a very short list of people I wouldn’t step into the ring with, Tyson is first on that list. He ended professional boxers careers with neck injuries. Discs in their necks popping out. A square punch from him was like being in a car accident. (On a side note I may be ordering a few things from you, don’t let this discussion sway you from throwing in the banana lol)
Lol even Lennox Lewis said Mike tried to KILL him with every punch lol. Just hard to see 15 prime heavyweights beating Mike when he was on point.
I hear ya but I just can't see that had he stayed the course with Cus or Rooney, I just can't. No Prime heavyweight had body movements and power like that. Now Ali moved faster and arguably Foreman had more power but according to him, he wanted nothing to do with Tyson. Sad part is we will never know because Mike was ruined and he ruined himself. Like I said it became mental for Mike. You get him down mentally anyone had a chance.