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Nolvadex and hcg only? For pct no clomid thoughts?
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What’s up guys, I am ready to get off for a little while. I wanted to hear out all the thoughts and opinions for hcg and nolvadex only for coming off of just 500mg week and primo cycle. The reason I am saying that is because I ABSOLUTELY CANT STAND CLOMID. It puts me in a serious moods and depressed and miserable , no energy at all. And I need energy for my job. So what’s everyone’s thoughts. Thanks
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You absolutely 100% can use just hcg and nolv.
Let the juice drain
Use the hcg to restart fully
You can let the hcg drain, about 2-3 weeks
Start the serm
Blood tests to prove
Let the serm drain
Takes about 12 weeks for nolv to drain be aware of that
Simple
RustyhookerIm blind.....found this gem
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/toremifene-p...
AnonI did many 4 weeks of Nolva only PCTs with no HCG for pro-hormone cycles and some Test only cycles. The pro-hormone cycles were short due to their liver toxicity and the Test only cycles were at moderate dosages no longer than 12 weeks. I also always ran my Adex about 2 weeks into my PCTs tapering the dosage down to avoid estro rebound from just stopping Adex instead of tapering it.
Thanks,
AnonI'm not saying it's the best way to do things. Or that it will work for anyone. I'm just saying I've done it and it worked for me.
Lots of people only use nolvadex for pct, 10-20 mg for six weeks. You shouldn't be using hcg during pct also, that defeats the purpose. Use HCG either during the whole cycle, the last few weeks of the cycle, or the two weeks before you pct when you stop using gear.
Correct. +2
2 weeks is a little short a break after hcg, 3 better, but your advice is solid.
RustyhookerGet educated before you spew
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-l...
Get educated? Google what I said and it's very common. Using clomid in general is a very old way of thinking. Nolvadex is much safer and it's better to use lower doses for longer instead of 40-50 mg which lots of people do. Stop being so narrow minded.
He knows nothing about pct. Had he ever done it properly, or had his 'advice' worked, he wouldnt be trt. This is a fella that went trt and jumped straight on tren within weeks. Hasnt a clue.
AnonI'm not gonna plus or minus anybody here.
Rusty's post link is solid and substantiated with source links. That's not narrow minded, quite the opposite, so you're wrong to call him that. What you're saying is anecdotal and not substantiated with any source links.
Rusty's link is not solid. It is antiquated, outdated, and not the intelligent way to pct
Nobody should be advising anybody to follow that.
Ask Scally yourself if you like, he is still around
AnonAgain, not gonna plus or minus anyone here.
Rusty's link does say "Dr Michael Scally PCT"
If Dr Scally has recanted his PCT protocol and released a new PCT protocol to supersedes his previous PCT protocol, then this would be information I am unware of, sir.
And that happens sometimes, Doctors come up with better protocols, treatments...etc I would like to find out if that is what has happened here, or if you overlooked some information in Rusty's link. My goal being: advance this conversation in a productive and useful direction.
Correct. Yep, you are simply unaware and yet you are telling the 21Q to follow someone else's incorrect information.
How about this: how about you listen to Scally in his own words, in an interview, describe his version of PCT? It specifically states you shouldn't do what is advised below.
How about that?
https://soundcloud.com/under-the-bar/dr-michael-scally-anabolic-steroids...
There ya go. In his own words: DO NOT do what is advised by that fella below!
As I said Scally is very active you can go ask him yourself. He is on twitter, he consults via email, he is on facebook, The interview above is from a few years back.
Anon+2 for providing the community with this updated information. Thank you.
35:50 I agree with Scally when he says those who use SARMS in PCT are idiots.
39:15 is where Scally starts talking about his PCT protocol... interesting
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYeah its interesting for sure. He is the OG of PCT, and everything evolved from his first iteration of PCT, There is a slightly better way, imo, if we are talking about a very serious heavy duty, fully tested approach. But that's a different story.
So many people fail their PCT's and suffer over time because of poor info. I failed for years until I started researching and testing properly. There is nothing wrong with us learning and pivoting.
The real issue is when false guru's (on any board) talk authoritatively about something that is just wrong. You get newbies taking it for gospel, getting hurt over time, and there is also bullying too. Just look at the comments, slagging people off for suggesting the smallest difference to their pseudo-PCT. Its nuts.
Oh well!!!
Anyway, +'s for keeping an open mind. Respect.
AnonI appreciate you taking the time to provide this information.
I listened to the entire podcast. Very interesting and I learned some new things.
Thanks again and respect to you too +2
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkRustyhooker2005 scalley lost his license, unfortunatly. And its been many years since hes updated anything
https://thinksteroids.com/author/michael-scally/
Rustyhookermy forum quotes dr scally directly, ya dunce
RustyhookerI just took your karma. The post link above was written by folks with PhD or MD on their title. Come again?
RustyhookerWhats your clomid dose? Theres other options out there.
Before the last 2 times I got off. I would use clomid and nolva. N hcg, run the clomid at like 50mg , that’s low too. Idk man I fuckin hate hate hate clomid. I react really weird to it.
RustyhookerMaybe look at the other forums for ideas on hmg or torem. Some of the no-clomid folks liked the torem. If its giving bad reactions then surely ya gotta expand the horizon.
I posted a forum on the basics but its built upon clomid variations. Others with torem info will chime in.
Found this link too
https://www.ergo-log.com/triptorelin.html