+ 2 Immune system, gear and corona (Update)
So i know the world is currently busy with the chaos corona is causing, how it affects old people and people with bad immune system..
So my thought here arent people who are on gear their immune system is greatly decreased???
I researched a bit when we are using gear, our body is fighting the substances thus reducing its immune system greatly, how low is our immune system is while on gear? that is the question..
One of the biggest examples is when i used to inject test solo, i used to get a pip and test flu, my body will be fighting it and i will instantly get sick/flu, because my immune system is busy fighting it leaving the body severly exposed...
I honestly dont believe the % researchers and media is giving of people dying from it... ive seen live videos in iran where hundreds of dead people are laying on the streets and their hospitals are just full of dead bodies.
Do not underistimate this and believe the media folks.
All im saying is stay safe guys, and if u are planning a cycle i would wait a little till things get better.
Updated: a small video released today, Thanks Pale
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Kibby your right, I was rude and you have kept your composure , so I will attempt to keep mine.
With all due respect , you may have mean't to say something different but what you said was inflammatory, ignorant, panic inducing and just flat out factually incorrect . And riots have been started over people being fed misinformation.
I very rarely neg people , you can check my profile I've negged less than 30 times. When I do neg someone I do so for a good reason, and I would appreciate it if who ever the fuck would stop going behind me and undoing my negs . Because I would have taken more karma if I could Kibby, and its nothing personal I neg Objectively and Uncompassionatly .
That is the exception , it is overwhelmingly targeting older individuals.
He should have said "has potential" to be lethal to anyone. That would be far more accurate
Agreed my mistake
U will survive it if u get the flu if you have good immune system, but it still could knock you out for 2 weeks atleast, and it has affected everyone in terms of economy, caused panic, and more, and it will get worse, its just the beginning... im guessing he meant lethal in those terms
Shit my city just declared a state of emergency. Even though there is no cases around us. There isn't even a case in this county yet.
They are closing all the schools from tomorrow 03/13 to 03/30.
Kids will use Chromebooks and google classroom instead.
I could understand if someone tested positive for the virus but this seems crazy.
In the meantime what do parents do that work and have no one to watch their children.
With everything being cancelled everywhere and the stock market tanking this is really going to screw the economy. Businesses are going to get hit hard.
yea just imagine what is going to happen when we have a real Viral outbreak with a 30% or higher mortality.
The world is going to have a melt down.
... or just an additional stressor, like a minor malfunction in an atomic reactor or natural catastrophe.
I was just saying that earlier to my grandmom (don’t worry it was on the phone I didn’t go see her lol).
Her place is on lockdown. One of those independent living jawns.
Either way I can only imagine what would happen if something even more serious went down... they’re starting to close a lot of shit around here. Especially the surrounding counties.
Plus side is I can work from home for the next little while. I feel bad for hourly workers though. That shit is a bummer.
Zombie apocalypse
Dammitttt they closed the gym. Now I just have to sit around and get fat until it opens.
I'm scared shitless that is about to happen where I am at. They killed the water fountains on Tuesday.
One more win for it home gym!
Sorry man, that sucks.
Shit is beginning to hit the fan now.
Yea its been declared a pandemic , and China is threatening to halt shipping .
Its the media , they have completely blown this out of per-portion . There acting like Covid-19 is the Bubonic plague its completely ridiculous. The Virus has a mortality rate of under 3% , and yes it may be very contagious at the moment but that is only because our bodies have no natural immune response built up like we do for the flu.
This public panic is almost child like.
The Virus has a mortality rate of under 3%
Over what time period dude?...... compared to other viruses etc....
Genuine question
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#compar...
Italy is currently sitting around 7%, not cause the virus is actually that lethal but without proper treatment it obviously raises the chances of it being lethal. That's the issue here, it is so viral that we can't handle the number of people coming to the hospital, which leads to that higher mortality rate. We are trying to hold it off to try and catch up to the huge influx of patients
I saw this yesterday. I gotta look up what this means... like what was it before this declaration? “Annoying”?
Endemic: a disease that exists permanently in a particular region or population.
Epidemic: An outbreak of disease that attacks many peoples at about the same time and may spread through one or several communities.
Pandemic: When an epidemic spreads throughout the world.
The main differences are how long a disease has been in a certain region and how far and how rapidly it has spread. It's not related to the severity of the disease from a mortality rate standpoint.
gotcha. so what from what they're saying it'll likely turn into an endemic? I mean what is the flu considered? Maybe not endemic because it's global?
I've been reading it's just going to be a thing from now on. like instead of cold & flue season, it's gonna be cold, flu and corona season.
From what I have read the seasonal flu is an epidemic--like when you hear people say "The flu is going around Philadelphia". Whereas a pandemic would be a strain of the flu "going around the world".
That's just my understanding though. I'm not a doctor or public health expert so I don't want to say anything with certainty.
Good example.
Thanks Oz. Hope all is well where you are.
It still still feels like it could be overblown but then you look at Italy which is merely six days ahead of us in the infection cycle. I am not dismissive of it but I also accept we are all likely going to face exposure.
I agree bro , the virus will run its course . The CDC and WHO both are quite aware that this virus has spread to far to control, we have the Airlines to thank for that. But Even if everyone on this planet caught the virus at the same time , a very small amount of the population would actually die.
My point being this virus is not that big of a deal , It falls somewhere between the Flu and the Common cold, meaning its worse than a Cold but not quite as bad as the Flu.
One exemption.......we have a cure for the flu and a very strong natural amunity agains the common cold.
Look I genuinely hope your right I really do. Just don’t put all your eggs in one bascket
We have a Vaccine not a cure.
Fact: In the US in 2019, '14,000 people have died and 250,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC." That's a death rate of 0.56% based upon those figures.
According to some expert: "I’d say on best available data, when we adjust for unreported cases and the various delays involved, we’re probably looking at a fatality risk of probably between maybe 0.5 and 2 percent for people with symptoms." not from hospitalized people - just people exhibiting symptoms. From the same rate for those hospitalized with the Flu to four times the rate - that's a lot different to the common Cold. But hey - I love a cavalier attitude.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/health/coronavirus-deaths-rates.html
solid points .
But my reply would be
this year there have been between 20000 - 50000 deaths from the flu world wide.
the Covid-19 has killed nearly 5000 word wide.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Since December bro that’s what people are getting at! This is moving fast and even evolving fast
The virus has peaked in China and Italy if you pay attention to the information.
And it mutated in to airborne, aka Covid-19 since then it has remained the same.
That is because CV-19 is new and it has not peaked. Those flu numbers are over an extended time period and are fairly predictable year over year. And like OZ said a fairly conservative estimate is 4x mortality rate over the flu but the catch is it is 1000x more catchy. So say one person in a family of 5 gets the flu often times that person is the only one that gets or worst case one other in the family does. With CV-19 everyone is getting it although a small percentage may not even be symptomatic.
your right bro, I am straight up over looking the fact it has not peaked yet. It will get worse, and yes it is way more contagious considering we have no natural anti-bodies built up for this virus.
It is more deadly yes , but only because there is no vaccine , so considering the lack of vaccine it really is not that deadly and it really is being way over blown by the media. Which I guess is the point I'm trying to make.
Well you don't make the point very well. THERE IS NO VACCINE! So projecting that it isn't deadly over a vaccine that doesn't exist is silly. And even if one is accepted it will take several months to make enough dosages to handle America alone.
So how would you feel if the media had practiced a full blackout about CV-19?
That bell has been rung , so I guess we will never know.
" A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet."
-Tommy Lee Jones
The media did what it is in there nature to do, But because this whole thing is being handled with mob mentality does not make it any better at all.
They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The hoarding of TP is insane, I agree with that. People are nutty and FB has made them 10x more so. But the cancelling events with large gatherings is actually smart. If we can slow this curve down it is a good thing. Packing people into together just spreads it like a bomb going off.
There will be less of a concern AFTER we have a treatment or vaccine. There lies the difference.
You can vaccinate to protect yourself from the flu. and if you do get it there are drugs and a protocol (i.e. bed rest and fluids) Not with Covid-19.
so, with the flu, we have containment via immunization and don't need to make extreme measures to keep the spread low.
Even if the virus was mathematically reduced to a modest 2% mortality rate, that's about 150,600,000 people or roughly half the population of the US.
Cool if you're a survivor right? Until you realize all the wealth makers have died off leaving behind all the millennial snowflakes... Atlas Shrugged meets Lord of the Flies.
Fucking laughed my arse off!!! That's a great comment! LOL!!
Glad to see at least one other member cracks open a book now and then to get the reference.
You are right I cant argue with those facts, but even with the Flu Immunizations and anti-viral drugs , the flu is still by far the more deadly of the two viruses . Covid-19 has nothing holding it back, the flu has decades of immunized population and it still has a higher mortality rate than Covid-19.
The flu mutates each year, and in spite of immunization still has infected millions more (thus far). Imagine if we just sat on our hands and let a much more infectious virus spread unabated.
Are you serious? what do you think quarantine, travel restrictions, closing schools, canceling large social events, etc. is? You know, all that stuff making everywhere look like a ghost town and the stuff killing the stock market. That stuff we are doing precisely because we DON"T have a vaccine.
I know again your right, but in my eyes those are only half measures, in the end there are still nearly 8-billion people on this planet . There is only so far we can run and hide from this virus.
The Covid-19 will mutate year after year as well just like the flu now that its in our populous , it will become just another virus and the sooner people realize that the better.
I tend to agree that it is too late to hide. But maybe not. We should still try. Unfortunately our American hubris has us looking like Italy 2.0. We waited far too long to act and even now we don't really have the testing in place, meanwhile this virus is spreading like wildfire. On top of that unlike every other country with an outbreak we have 50 million or so folks without health insurance that will wait for fear of going broke and spread the virus further.
and those people with out insurance will wait until there nearly dead, then they will rush to the hospital . The media is right on one point this will get worse, but still its not that deadly its not that big of a deal.
I personally think you are very naive. It is a big deal. If it wasn't you wouldn't see the response you are seeing today worldwide.
I am naive, I always have been when it comes to things like this . It just really feels like we are being pulled along by this whole thing, but maybe I'm way wrong time will tell.
Time will certainly tell and I will be the first to say I pray you are right. But short of a miracle I do not believe you are.
Exactly my thought, its like the media they couldnt believe something happened, so they have some content or something to talk about
I'm just gonna up my C & stay away from people! Two cases in overpopulated Florida right now on the CV app. I'm worried about the economy more than anything else!
It has mutated, S-Cor and L-Cor now.