+ 1 Upcoming cycle set up by my coach
Recently got with another coach to get me prepping up for this entire year. I want to dedicate all my time and effort into 2018 to do my first show next year. So this is an overview of what he has planned for me to do, and I wanted to post it for comments, suggestions and what not because why not get opinions from all you guys?
Week 1-16
Test E/600-800mg
Eq/800-1000mg
Week 1-12
Deca/300-400mg
Week 1-8
Dbol/25mg ed
The EQ dosage has me a little on edge due to the increase in red and white blood cells that occur from taking Equipoise. I don’t want to be coughing up blood. He also had me grab some Anadrol and said he has a plan with it that I’ll love his oral combo, but dbol or any oral for that matter for 8 weeks is just not a good idea in my opinion... Said maybe throw Tren A at the final 6 weeks of this as well. Now I’m going to leave my comments on what I feel and think about all this to myself other than what I’ve already said until I see what some of you guys have to say. Body weight currently at 217 he said we gotta hit 230 and with how my diets set up I think I’ll be well on my way but anyhow, let me know your thoughts thanks!!
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RustyhookerFrom reading, youve been on cycle non stop? Addicted much?
Get bloods bro....
I’m not addicted & just ended a cycle. This isn’t something I’m about to do next week, this is an overview of what he would like to see happen about 10 weeks from now. But blood work is in order, I will post the outcome of that when I get the results.
Rustyhooker10 weeks? Ya, definitly get bloods. Youre pushing hard for trt.
Yea..lipids for sure...
wow. 3 cycles under your belt and he has you chasing a stack like that with an oral combo and tren a to boot! We like to think we can prepare ourselves by reading up on everything but once you are thrown into a stack like that with relatively little experience, it usually don't turn out well. I am assuming this is an off-season cycle. I would hate to see what he has lined up for a pre-comp cycle.
Yeah it’s not like I’m trying to go pro or have years on years of cycles, he knows all of this and yet this is what he has prepared for me smh...I’m just not good with it I’m not experiencing all of the side effects that I know are going to attack me.
Another thing, I JUST ran npp and he still insists on running deca.
I always wondered how much a coach costs ????
You can always leave him and find a new one that will listen and discuss your opinions and goals
Everyone has their number based on what they’re providing you with man it’s all across the board.
How successful were your previous cycles and what were they if you don't mind me asking? It seems like you have the diet nailed which is the key to the equation here.
Sent you a message with all the details brother. Didn’t want to start discussing all that in this page to take the focus away from my post.
You don't need to cycle...that should be the focus of your post...lol
If you need test to grow, then use one compound and maybe work with test's different esters.
Diet is key as well as knowing what foods are best for your metabolism.
Not sure of your cycling history so kind of hard to know if you are ready for this or not? My first impression with anybody running this cycle is that they are probably going to spend a great deal of effort combating side effects. I would personally just stick with a test/EQ or test/deca cycle and not try to run these all together. With where you are at, I think it is overkill and will be a constant struggle combating all the side effects. I'm up 18 dry pounds on just 600mg of test and 400mg of deca so don't fall into the trap that you need to run a multi-compound mega stack to make any gains. I'm more interested in what he has planned for a diet for you.
I think my diet is very good that’s one thing we agree on is his approach with that. I’ve done 3 cycles now, is there somewhere to post that on my bio what I did and stuff?
And I agree with you I asked about just doing test/Eq instead of all this other nonsense so I’m not battling sides for the next 4 months and he says you’re going to be fine.
And I’m not. I’m not an idiot. So I think we’re gonna have a sit down, and me tell him my concerns, and change it accordingly or I will just have to get another coach.
What's your BF%?
Update your stats.
What's your cycle history?
What's your goal for the competition next year?
Thumbs up for clarifying your plan in advance.
Sorry, just updated my stats as that was wrong anyhow it should’ve said 215 not 225 when I posted it, but it’s updated now. Haven’t checked bf since December though. My goal is do a classic show beginning of next year.
I'm sure your around 10-12% based off your pic...is that pic current?
Profile pic no. I posted one at the end of my cycle a few weeks ago, but you are probably pretty accurate either that I think I’m around 11
Recover hpta via blood work. Revamp diet and find foods that you can work with. Keep lifting and alternate weight regimens. Minimize injury...dont lift too heavy.
basskiller89You look awesome brother
It looks a bit high on the total dosage. Is 2400mg really necessary to progress from where you're at
Thanks man, and honestly I don’t think it’s necessary at all.
Im on the newer side but have read a little bit. If your gonna stack like that it looks like a lot of EQ you prob will run into some sides high bp, clotting issues, etc. Eq is something that I personally would never just jump into 800-1000.
You’re right to have questions and doubts about this proposed cycle. Anyone who recommends throwing things in here and there, is just reckless and really doesn’t know what they’re doing.
What are you trying to accomplish here? You certainly could get there with a much safer protocol, which has your health in the forefront.
I told him I need more all around muscle mass which I do and my diet is so great right now. That’s where the bodies are built is in the kitchen, all this crap also helps out but without proper nutrition and being strict you don’t get to where your potential is. But with the approach he’s taking I think he believes the more oils and orals the better
It all comes down to, “how much abuse am I willing to put my body through? Is a plastic trophy worth it to me?”
I’ll be honest it’s always been a dream of mine to get myself good enough to do a show, but lately dealing with things like this has taken my spirit a bit and the fun out of what I do. I’m now more concerned of my health and sides due to the cycles he has planned out in his head.
That’s for you make you alone to decide. No one else has the right to tell you what you can and can’t do with your body. If you decide comptetive bodybuilding isn’t worth it but you still want to scratch that competitive itch, there’s always strength sports if you ever decided to go that route. Except for the most elite levels, the level of drug use required to be competitive just isn’t as ludicrous.
People talk about “all sports” having PED problems but we all know bodybuilding is where it really becomes chemical warfare. No other sport even comes close.
One of my favorite riffs of all time!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5L7GyZeazM
But it’s not just the PEDs, it’s the diuretics, fat burners, and the unhealthily low body fat that bodybuilders are required to get to. If you’re not familiar with Dr. Eric Helms, his speciality is natural bodybuilding. Real natural bodybuilding, not fake natties. I’ve read a lot of his work, and per his recurring observations, quite a few natural bodybuilders get so lean for contest prep that it ravages their lipid and hormone panels. In fact, bodybuilders who were legitimately natural have wrecked their hormone profiles so badly that they had to go on HRT to get back in range. Obviously this isn’t a problem for a steroid user on cycle, but I imagine the stresses of getting contest lean are otherwise similar. I have nothing against competitive bodybuilding personally, but if someone is going to dedicate himself or herself to that lifestyle, they had better be damned sure that they understand and accept the risks.
Of course this works the other way too with athletes getting far too heavy or having too high a body fat percentage and doing harm to their bodies in that way.
I have both of his books on training and diet and reference them often. Especially when building programs for friends of mine who may not have as many androgens in their system ;) they’re a great resource.
This sounds quite a lot to me. I am quite sure though your weight will go up considering to combination of the compounds, will need to keep that diet strict to Try to keep it lean, you don’t want to put too much fat/water on while running this
PepperonidaddyI can't run more than 600 of eq. My blood pressure sky rockets. I have to drop it to 400mg a week.
I dont know shit about shit and I'll be the 1st to admit that. I somewhat understand the mindset behind wanting to compete, but one thing I do understand for sure is being put into a situation where I dont want to do something I'mnot good with. It sounds like you are questioning your coach a bit which is good. Its not his body or life that would suffer any negative consequences. I think you are right to put it out here for guys to advize on it but in the end if you are not totally comfortable with it...dont do it. Good luck.
You will be like a sponge on this cycle. Its the classic post mid 90s cookie cutter BS test-deca at 2:1 + dbol and a sprinkle of whatever else comes into his little head... just because.
Here are a couple of questions I think you should ask yourself (forget your coach for now, you need true knowledge yourself which smashes opinion every time) but dont get the answers from bro's, do some real research on it and not on forums;
Are you planning to build muscle mass/lean body mass or increase numbers on a scale
What does dbol actually do in the body / are there any real/sustainable benefits
What happens when deca and test compete for androgen receptors
What causes water retention
What causes elevated estrogen
What causes dyslididaemia and how can if affect you
How toxic are these compounds really and what are the more serious sides (tren in particular)
And finally... once armed with the above... is there a greater benefit with fighting side effects or simply running an effective dose of safe and effective compounds with the lowest sides profile
Very good questions and great point. I’d be an idiot if I said I want to fight sides and that is my biggest concern with this cycle he has planned out. I think he thinks to get the muscle mass and number on the scale you just have to throw a bunch of drugs at it and this is not only scary to myself but ignorant of him.
You sir, are on the right track. Keep digging, be ruthless about it and if you maintain your focus on safety + min effective dose with effective compounds ... you will achieve whatever you want.
Honestly, you wouldnt... but you would be the same as 90% of people out there, many of whom wear water, get fat, ruin their hpga and develop health problems over time (be it CV, erectile issues, lipids, blood cells, liver, kidneys, even brain (tren) etc etc)
Keep digging fella!
Thanks man!