High tren and low test
I'm 35 and have been on and off gear for about 14 years. I run trt throughout the year. I will occasionally do a 5-6 week blast here and there. I've always had a love/ hate relationship with tren. It's caused me issues in relationships as it makes me weirdly sexually clingy and emotional. I've always done about 600- 700 mgs of tren/wk, typically tren ace. And my test would typically be anywhere from 1000 mgs to as high as 1500/wk. I've decided on experimenting with a super high tren ace ( 150 mgs/day) and keep my trt dose of test 250 / wk. This is the least amount of sides I've ever experienced! I am taking caber and cialis to combat tren dick but outside of the tren cough I'm having no sides. Now I'm not recommending anyone take that much tren or tren in general. My point here is that I believe that the high tren/ low test theory works.
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When cutting i go to very low test on Tren. I have no issues from Tren except getting off it! In order t overcome Tren dick i use Masteron. The combo works well for me and sex drive is fine!
Maybe the high tren low eat works for you but honestly for me it was a waste of time and many..yes the sides were not there but the gainz I have made on another cycle wasn't either. The low test hgh tren made me lethargic as hell and the gym just wasn't the same but to each isnown this is only my experience with it and I'll continue with test and tren equal to the same dose almost. Also never had to use the caber with a high test dose but keep the ainon hand
Here is the best advise your going to get ... if tren causes you to have issue SIMPLY DONT RUN IT!! Leave it alone move on from it . Why on earth would you run a compound when you know it's not for you and it's not like tren is this miracle drug that's so much better than plan simple test
I agree when something doesnt agree with me thats it, im done with it. But in bodybuilding tren is basically irreplaceable. Theres no substitute for it. Some guys like deca for bulks some like eq, some like winny some like var, all interchangeable IMO, dbol and anadrol, but tren, its that one drug thats just not. I know it doesnt really agree with you, and it hasnt proven to be that miracle drug people make it out to be for me either....yet. But ive only had one run where my tren wasnt junk and i bailed right when things were getting really good. It wouldnt be so hyped if it wasnt the shit. im gonna give it one last honest shot, quality product at a good dose for the proper length of time and see if it does what its supposed to do. Will see. kinda hope it doesnt do what everyone say it does ( positive effects lol), its harsh, not great for us at all, probably the worst injectable for our body. Best to just stay away from it. So i hope im not blown away and keep feeling how i do now about it, and i feel that its not all that. I can look just as good on prop var and provi. Thats my favorite cutting cycle.
But none of the old guys in the hay day of B.B. used it and they looked amazing but each there own lol
Hell ya they did, but it was a different look. And honestly i liked that look better. Arnold, franco, frank zane, chris dickerson, serge nubet, dave draper, then into the 80s with guys like mike mentzer, I loved those physiques, Big, full, small waist, lean but not totally peeled like the 90s guys. But in todays bodybuilding some can get away without using it but most need it. im not a fan of todays bbers at all. I stopped liking the top guys physiques after dorian, kevin, nasser, flex etc. Theres a select few i still like like dennis wolf, i think he brings that 90s type conditioning still. and a few others.
True.. I don't like the slin guts of today's guys... but your right it does give u a different look but tren is the devil drug for me lol I can't sleep or eat right moody and short tempered
I dont get the insomnia, night sweats, mood changes. Im from the north and live in the south now so im always short tempered with how slow everyone moves down here lol, so thats not a side effect of tren It does suppress my appetite a bit but thats about it. But it just doesnt do what people say it does. When ive cut on tren i attribute basically all my results to the diet, i dont notice much accelaration in fatloss from adding tren. But my first two runs on it the stuff was junk, last one i had quality product but around week 7 i called it quits. Thats right when i was at the point were i was lean enough to start noticing daily changes. But i bailed and went back to bulking. Like i said ima give it one more try after i have the size i want and use it to cut and will see what happens.
I can relate to the "weirdly sexually clingy and emotional".
Damn tren.
Dude you gotta feel like shit lugging around 280 lbs haha.
No offense Serg but I'd def recommend getting out of midevil times with crazy high dose of test with your tren and try trt dose of test with tren. Makes for a much smoother run sir. You can still go high with tren but as stated I also think there is a point when it can be too much is a waste. Anything above 700mg/wk tren imo is wasted liquid gold. (or divorce in a bottle, whichever suits u;-). Might I also recommend adding some mast to really put the tren sides to bed.
Thanks man. I think you misunderstood the post though. This is the first time I dropped my test super low and it's worked out better for me. You know the old myth on how the test needs to be higher than the tren or deca for example. I was stating here that after trying the lower dose personally, I believe the lower test is the better way to go.
were even finding now that higher test isnt even needed with deca. Ive ran it 1:1 but not yet high deca low test, that will be my next cycle. But from the guys ive talked to they make better gains on high deca low test then high test lower deca. And look better in the process without all the test bloat. At the end of the day its all about what works best for you. I know some people who swear by high test lower tren, and they dont suffer bad sides from it. Others like realy low test high tren. Some like high test moderate deca, some like high deca low test. So find what works best for you and stick with it. Test is definitely a good drug, but these other drugs like nandrolone, primo, dbol and all the others were made specfically to build muscle and lack the androgenic side effects of testosterone. So they should do a better job at building muscle with less sides then test. Nandrolone is extremely mild in the side effect department, i dont get any acne from it, noone loses hair on it, no prostate enlargement and all the other androgenic sides test cause. The people who have ed problems with it just shouldnt run it. I dont really get any sides from deca at all. Very mild. The only downside is how harsh the shutdown is. Basically cancels out how mild it is on cycle cause coming off it is so bad and can almost be impossible to restart the hpta after.
I always get deca dick real bad but I've recently started using cialis ( 10 -15 mgs) pre workout for pumps and it helps with that.
I'm defiantly not from the old school but from all the research I've done, I agree and have found that high test was what was used to "balance" the other compound out. So the older way of thought would be that if your running a gram of say tren then you should run a gram of test in order to keep the balance right. I think u have more experience with this idealology. Glad ur getting good results side wise from your new approach.
I don't necessarily think that amount of tren is "needed." It's my body and I'm just doing it for experimental purposes. I figured out on my own that super high test was pointless. Maybe I'll feel the same about the tren, we'll see. I'm very healthy and get blood work done yearly. My purpose here is too how my body reacts off this particular tren dose. I wanted to experiment with a higher dose because I've been doing it for so long and I'm 280 lbs.
I'd say your headed the right direction. Good to keep a log so others can benefit from your experience.
Your 280. Are you pretty lean? Bf% wise..
Thanks man. I don't know what my bf % is. I don't have abs at the moment but I'm relatively lean.
Probably one of the craziest stories I've heard. I've never run my test over 600mg and I've personally never run my tren over 350mg. I understand some guys go over that on the tren but I don't see how it would be worth it. But I would never take three times that amount. And I'll never understand why people think running 1,500mg of testosterone is going to make better games than 500mg. But I also don't rely on chemicals that I put in my body to make most of my gains. The more I eat and the more I train the better results I get....
But to answer your original question. I see nothing wrong with running your testing between 200 mg and 375 mg and running you're trying to hire.
Do you actually think this amount of tren is needed? Or should i say is actually benefiting more then say 300mg of tren a week? No wonder u were getting crazy sides. Im not trying to bash you and im sorry if im coming off as a bit of a dick here but some of you guys need to wake up. Start to focus more on what counts. Eat large amounts of food and train like a beast. Anabolics help with recovery, training and eating is what causes growth.
I 100% agree with this, i have run higher tren in the past but now i dont run more than 300mg/week.
Not everyone gets sides that are that rough. I was doing 700 mg a week of acetate and only got increased heart rate and mild acne.
Anyway.. the idea is tren and test compete for receptors so really there is no point to having much test at all other than maitainence. I think you have it right on with your maintaining dose and as far as hoe much tren your taking I think its over kill a bit because you havent cycles in so long and your also a lot older remember. You may end up not feeling so hot if you had sides before.. or who knows even you may have less sides than before. But if you havent cycled in THAT many years I would expect a shock to the system.
I dont think your body needs to get shocked to the degree your doing to get incredible results. It may be a bit unnecessary but either way I think as long as your healthy going into cycle you should be fine. Knock the acetate down to 100 a day.. remember its acetate if you feel good you can always go higher
Edit: Your 35 and havent cycled since 21? Im shocked your only 35.. I heard havent cycled for 14 years and thought you must be in your 40s. If you havent cycled since 21 then you dont have much experience anyway so I would recommend doing 75ed or if you want to go crazy no more than 100ed but 150ed is crazy high for anyone, especially someone with such low experience you should grow like a monster at 100ed.
Sometimes less is more. Why? Because you get the same result a lot of the time. You havent cycled since 21.. chances are you get the same results at 75 as you do 150. The extra mgs would only be there to raise all your side effects but lean muscle can only pack on so fast.
RustyhookerYou need to read better.
And you answered rudely to a pro bodybuilder.
I've been cycling every year for 14 years, I haven't taken 14 years off. That'd be a hell of a dosage for a 14 year break lol.