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Want to run an 8 week bulk with dbol 50s to boost the start, sust250/test prop 100 and deca prop.. was wondering how acurate this list ive found is or any recomendations as far as what ester to go with for gaining rather than cutting?
Oral steroids Drug Active half-life
Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
Dianabol (methandrostenolone, methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
Winstrol (stanozolol) (tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours
Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day
Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
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Any thoughts about this as it conflicts what im gathering on here from another site.
This is the protocol the doc said he used in literally thousands of users with suppressed HPTA.
First thing, the 500iu a day was not enough to make the testicles do their job, he suggested this was just a waste of time and money.
He suggests 8 shots of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 2500iu EOD.
With this you take 20 mg of nolvadex for 45 days.
Clomid is also taken but twice a day @ 50mg each dose 12 hours apart. He did mention that test in itself was not all that suppressive and he has seen guys on 18 months that came off and made a full recovery in 45 days with the above protocol.
is there anything i can take that will target hepatoxins? Saw somewere that nothing gets the dbol toxins 100%
I was kind of on your side in the last thread as you lived and learned and wanted true help with a pct to get better and re think things but I was wrong! Just stop go back to your LAST THREAD and read what everyone has to say and do it right before you harm YOURSELF!!!! You don't want to be the guy who is 30 and is staright up messed up being at the doctor 2or 3 days a week on so many drugs it doesn't matter to try and fix your body and you will probably be sitting there saying oh my god look what steroids did to me messed me up but no it was just YOU not wanting to listen to what everyone has to say! Please stop before you truly hurt yourself and your future!
RustyhookerJust ran dbol only cycle...no pct...trolling
never ran a dbol only cycle.... show me were i said this??!!
RustyhookerSuggest you go back to your other site
Still waiting for your claim proof....
As plenty of members have told you in your other thread, you should NOT be thinking about running another cycle. Your diet needs work. Put in the effort in the kitchen, run a full blown PCT, and then revisit this idea in a few months.
Doubt you'll listen...
Im listening, can you explain to me how this pct works atm for me as far as my body with what your talking about.
You need to go and get some pharmaceutical grade nolva and clomid. Don't bother with research Chem grade stuff, it's a waste of money.
Run the following PCT, which was my last PCT:
Nolva:40/40/20/20/20/10(or so 20 the last week)
Clomid:100/100/50/50/50/25(or 50 the last week)
That was what I ran last time without a cycle involved (I ran the higher dosages the last week, basically it was a last ditch effort).
If your HPTA is shot, that's it. There's no bouncing back. If your blood work comes back and you haven't recovered, you will need to go to an endo and be upfront about what's happened. You will be sent on a rollercoaster of treatments trying to bring you back online. It will not be a fun ride, and you better be prepared mentally, as you're looking at a lot of fine tuning your hormones under supervision if it is shot.
Relatively Accurate on estimations based on averages. Meaning we all metabolize substances differently.
But you want to use SUS, which has very long esters in it, kicking it with prop. Not an issue but Sus remains in the system a good amount of time. Why not just run 10 weeks or 12 weeks with Test E and Prop as you base with some NPP and a kickstart of Dbol. 10 weeks makes for a good cycle.
Test E-600mg Weekly 10 weeks
Test prop= 300mg weekly 4 weeks
NPP- 300mg Weekly 10-wees
Dbol- 50mg ED- 4-5 weeks
if you're prolactin sensitive add in Caber/Prami and Adex EOD. You can use Cyp instead of E if you like it better.
Ive ran that several times with very good results
I do not agree with this. I think more knowledge and research as well as nutrition needs to be taken into account before recommending something like this. The OP does not seem to have the knowledge base to be doing this. Regardless of 6th cycle or not, body composition doesn't seem to be in the right place to be getting the full benefit from this cycle. I've done a bunch of cycles and done everything under the sun, wasted countless amounts of money and gear and had almost every side known to man except for lactating. I have to get my gyno cut out and spend an arm and a leg on that as well as I'm currently dealing with the shittiest pct I've ever had to endure. This one is really taking everything out of me and it's probably from a multitude of factors including running a 19nor.
OP had not mentioned anything about any on cycle AI or having caber/prami on hand. I mean dbol has a high aromatization rate along with a long estered test so even an AI should've been common knowledge. I'd recommend saving your gear and coming off completely. It sounds like you've been bridging the two cycles with maintenance test shots and it's just not a good idea. Just come off, run a pct, focus on the nutrition aspect, do more research and come back with a better idea at a later time.
I hope you understand I'm not trying to dog you nor come at you but the knowledge and safe practice procedures just don't seem to be there right now. I don't want anyone to have to go through the hell I'm going through with this pct and am just looking out for you bro.
Thank you this is acctually very helpful indeed. These peoples insults are not needed when id rather learn from experienced members chimming in than reading info online that i dont understand much of the terms and concepts used. I think i will wait now
X2 now that's good advice +1
It is good you are digging into the background of the OP to make a more informed decision to help him out.
Unfortunately based on past posts I don't think he'll listen however I hope he does take this into account. If It's only been 3 months he's been on @ 250 mg he should be fine will minimal risk to his HPTA however I doubt that's the case. Seems like a bridge or an attempt at one to me. Hope I'm wrong and hope he listens.
will my brain not make its own test if im on too long? just looking for laymans terms lol, thanks
That is correct. It's not like riding a bike you will not be able to just pick up where you left off. I came off a month ago after being on just test for almost a year straight and it hasn't been easy. I've done other PCT's that were a breeze compared to this one. it's pretty rough man. Since you've only been on for a few months and I'm assuming that you are using long ester test I'd do a pct consisting of 500iu of hcg daily for 10 days prior to starting the clomid and nolva. HCG is not a quick fix but will start getting things moving again. Then I'd use:
Nolva - 40/40/20/20
Clomid - 100/100/50/50
Again That's only if you've been truthful thus far and have only been on for 3 months. However if you have been on longer and haven't opened up about it I can let you know I'm doing a 6 week pct consisting of:
Nolva - 60/60/40/40/20/20
Clomid - 150/150/100/100/50/50
After you're done with pct wait 6 weeks and run bloods. If you're anything like me you probably didn't get bloods prior to starting all this nonsense so you won't have a baseline to go off of so you'll have to go off what the normal ranges would be. Hopefully everything gets back to normal. I'm praying I get back to normal being that I didn't know what I know now when I made these choices. These guys are here to help you and while they may be kind of crass that's just their way.
yeah im gathering the crass thing lol. Most def will order this pct and get back on track now. I was about to commit testicle suicide jesus!
Yea man I have a sexy Dominican chick and no desire to bang her. I'd don't have ED and can still get it up but have no drive either. Make sure to get all pharma grade
No, your brain won't make any more test. lol. Neither will your nuts.
ahh i gotcha, i never did the pct right from the cycle before this either i def need a couple months off with hard pct
Cycle history?
this will be my 6th, ive ran, tests, deca, tren, dbol, tbol and equipoise. Pcts ran before is nov and clom
I honestly would run a cycle longer than eight weeks for a good bulker. How long since your last cycle bc I remember you don't really run a true pct. First bro I would go spend sixty bucks and get some blood work and make sure your body is fully recovered.
been on test for 3 months at 250 mgs a week maintaining until i could hit this cycle. Probley not the best but my pct pills along with most my gear never arrived not naming names... this is the new gear ive got coming along with the pct orals.
Not a good idea. You better PCT hard and hope you haven't permanently damaged yourself. Cycling right now should be the last thing you should be thinking about. You are digging yourself a hole that you are not going to be able to get out of.
please explain a bit more thanks
You need to give your body time to recover between cycles. From what I gather you were on a cycle and didn't have any PCT meds to run a PCT so you have been on 250mg of test for the past three months instead and now you want to start another cycle. You have been shut down for a long long time now and you will be lucky if you fully recover from that, but to prolong recovery further by hopping on another cycle is a sure fire way to ensure you fry your HPTA for good. It won't matter what kind of PCT you run. When it is fried it is fried.
holly fuck ok then. The choice is a nobrainer, wasnt aware if its gone its gone.
so my body wont come back from that with pct??
Stop asking the same fkn questions over and over, run a PCT and stop what you are doing.
Here is the answer to every question you are going to ask:
RUN A PCT.
Go the PCT forum and read about PCT.
RUN A PCT
Take a look in the PCT section of the site and RUN A PCT
RUN A PCT.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens
Read the above post and RUN A PCT.
obviously douchbag, real cool guy you are and def a big help. Your definatly a good easy source for info.
Im the douchebag, says the idiot who cruises on gear because he was dumb enough not to buy PCT.
Did I remind you to do a PCT yet?
Put Cock in your Throat? yeah you been sayin that already
Are you going to cry next since you are resorting to high school name calling?
your not worth my time
When on cycle your hpta shuts down. Basically when injecting synthetic hormones in abundance your body senses it doesn't need to produce them on its own. So by not taking the appropriate time off after a cycle and running a pct. You're running a risk of your body never fully recovering. Bloods are a major major step to ensure you have recovered. Ideally you want bloods pre cycle for a baseline bloods done in the middle of your cycle and finally after pct. There a lot of other areas of concern doin what your doin also that bloods could give you insight to.
very well explained, thank you