+ 12 Guys wtf are we all doing???
So one of my close friends and training partner is an ifbb pro. He's 3 weeks out right now from his show so i bring up the subject of whats your off season cycle going to look like? He's 5'9 steps on stage around 250lbs sub 4% bf so hes a big big guy. His offseason cycle is going to be 4ius of gh, 750mg of test and 600mg of eq, because he "heard from another guy that there is no additional benefit going any higher then 600." On top of that he said " I might even bring the eq down to 400mg." So this is a dude who walks around offseason at 275 and hes running a little over a gram of gear. And dont bother saying hes lying hes a very close friend of mine. So at this point hes got his size so I'm thinking to myself he must have ran some heavy cycles back in the day to get to where hes at so i ask him. He says we used to run 2 10 week test deca cycles a year, 2mls of each per week. So I'm thinking ok 500mg of test 500mg deca. He says no, back then everything was pharm grade 100mg/ml, so his cycles were 200mg of test and 200mg of deca for 10 weeks twice a year. Oh and hes never ever used insulin before in his life. Its sad 99% of us are running more gear then an ifbb pro, myself included at times. Some of the bigger dudes here are running 4-5 times what hes running, but this guys a professional and at 10% bf ( He would never let himself get above 6% ever) he'd be close to 300lbs. He's old school when it comes to diet, really low fat, moderate carbs and HIGH protein, I'm talking 600-700 grams a day everyday.
Moral of the story, i think almost all of us need to take a step back and look at our diets, training and sleep, and most importantly be patient. Building a quality physique takes years and years of hard work and dedication. Not 1 heavy winter bulker.
What do you guys think about this? genetics of the gods? Super responder to gear? crazy discipline when it comes to diet training and rest? Its not the gear cause hes running the same stuff alot of us are using.
I just wanted to share this with you and show you not all pros are running huge amount of gear, this guys running what we would consider a intermediate cycle, but you bet your ass hes gonna grow like a weed this offseaon on those doses.
That is all.
Btw I'm trying to get him on here, he says he wants to but hes an older dude, not to computer savy so one day ill help him make an account and show him how to navigate the site so he can share everything with us. His knowledge comes from first hand experience no reading forums. As he said when he started him and his friends were "guinea pigs", there was no internet, only what others were saying and trial and error.
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So the human body doesn't hit a point of diminishing returns through diet and and training ? We can essentially increase calories and switch up workouts and gain muscle mass forever on the same dose ? Is that what you're saying ?
38 years that iron's friend has been doing this....38 yrs...we need to be asking his friend this and he needs the guru tag! I would say after 38 yrs that irons friend knows exactly when to change workout, diet, compounds and training before he becomes CATABOLIC in any degree....irons friend can give a whole new perception and definition regarding preventative maintenance...
I'm gonna get him on here, I talked to Viking about it a while ago. I just haven't gotten around to helping him make an account and showing him how to use the site. His first hand experience is priceless
I hope you can indeed get him on here. Eroids has been the best education I've had in my adult life.
Awesome...cant wait to learn more. Also, i wanted to say when we were planning Vikings bulk back in the fall, this explained why his doses were high and the compounds he was planning on using.
Ya I remember planning vikes cycle. He always told me he didkr have great genetics and was actually more of an ectomorph. But he was another 30+ year vet. He knew exaclty what worked for him, and he was extremely precise with when he took his Peps, orals and shots to keep everything stable.
'Tis true...being an ecto, makes eating, a whole new career...lol...when we focus on something we love, 30-40 yrs seems like it was just yesterday. Peptides make a big difference, too,and i am learning more everyday.
no there is a point at which higher dosages usually a gram or more are secreted as waste.. the body can't utilize it UNLESS you are running HGH and slin which will allow the body to absorb and use the excess test.
There is a point at which the same dosage will no longer work for you and you will have to Increase the dosage to get the same results as seen with the smaller dosages... THIS is one of the main reasons why it is said not to use such high dosages to start ..
your body is constantly trying to achieve homeostasis or balance it will do anything to try to adapt to what we are doing to it ... be it adding test, adding calories, changing calories, changing work outs. If you don't change things the body is amazing in it's ability to adapt and then you will plateau ... you must change to keep the growth coming
no forever is not attainable at some point you have to deal with genetics and genetic potential which most of us will NEVER reach
Shhhhhh quiet now one wants to hear that
Nice!!
I'm with you 100 on what you just said, I was being sarcastic with iron in that post because he doesn't seem to understand that as muscle mass goes up far beyond natural limits , not only does food intake go up but so does the hormones to support it. I guess I'm just beating a dead horse here. I've said my points . Thanks for the reply
sorry didn't catch the sarcasm its been a while since you've been around ;-)
I had to edit the post above about irons guru tag also, I think people took that one as serious also. what you said basically sums this whole thing up. Training dieting hormones all go hand in hand.
It all goes hand in hand...along with wisdom and experience, as well as, a network of knowledgable, educated and experienced athletes.
I will be the first to admit when I am in cycle competing in strong man it would really shock a lot of people how much gear I have to take to sTay competitive. My diet is on point and training I've trained with world class guys so I know I'm good there.. peoole lie or mislead others because of the fact very few actually compete and the ones that do pretty much have a good understanding of what there doing. I will help anyone that asks and is willing to learn but for the average guy on here the majority of the cycles that's laid out for them is plenty to achieve what they are after. The moral is people lie so they don't get flamed for what there doing and 2 so some kid doesn't see it and get themselves hurt then heat really comes down on this site
"The moral is people lie so they don't get flamed for what there doing and 2 so some kid doesn't see it and get themselves hurt then heat really comes down on this site"
I appreciate you keeping it real GJ. And for the insight about competitive PL
How's your recovery coming along?
It's getting there slowly but still trying to do things in the gym with upper body to keep it somewhat in shape . Doc said I really need to give it 4 more months before doing much with it my days of competing are prob over so I will need a new game now lol
Damn four more months. Are u walking? U can come back from this and be stronger than before the human will is incredible
Yeah I'm walking . Hopefully I can bounce back but I'm getting old in this game .young guys in there 20's is getting hard to keep up with lol
Shit u was doin great before this injury. I have no doubt u will come back with a vengeance. It does get harder bouncing back the older we get but the reward of coming back and kicking the young pups ass is priceless lol
rxagentAnd the best troll thread of the year goes to... :-).
Honestly though this is why the large majority of members have zero credibility to me on here and karma is nothing but a popularity contest and who has the most time to waste on here.
I actually had my account deleted a few months ago and decided to create this new one and not post at all because shit always turns sour because I hate all the bs and hypocrisy of members on here. HOWEVER, this thread was too much for me to bite my tongue. I've been here for over 2 years and sauced up a lot longer than that lol not new to this at all. Will probably have to make another account soon because when I spit out truth I get criticized to death.
WHO WAS TELLING PEOPLE GREENMANS GEAR WAS DIRTY CONTAMINATED UNDERDOSED BUNK GARBAGE FOR OVER 6+++ months ago consistently? Only to have a mod threaten to ban my account to show because I didn't present any "proof". Lmaooo on my old old old account I had bloodwork done which proved his shit was trash. Well where is greenman now? How many people got infected and had part of their asses cut out? GLAD I STEERED A GOOD AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AWAY FROM THAT DIRTY CONTAMINATED CRAP BEFORE A MOD SHUT me down threatening to ban me.
Long story short 90% of you on here are bullshitters and think you know when you don't know jack shit. The others such as dope and tt are a different breed. Funny enough those who know don't post because of all these high karmad douche bags who post nothing but crap and like to shut down any truth that comes to light. Insulting a man to death saying his 750mg test 50mg dbol kick start is wayyyy too much for a first cycle maybe save it for the third. Please ...
Whatevers happens next fuck it lol it's on me. Either way there's only so much bullshit I can take before I have to start an acount over because I hate how everyone treats everyone even those who have been doing this for years like they are on training wheels... Example a guy who has 3 cycles under their belt and another guy says the dude is still not ready for tren... This coming from the guy who has been on for years and probably ran tren in their first year of steroid usage... Love the hypocrisy
Rant over for real. If I get banned well it is what it is. Anyone reading this take high karmad members and anything they post with a grain a salt. Look at their pictures before believing anything they parrot out in good faith to gain more karma from the other parrots. Half of the EXP members are fat blobs and you'd never be able to tell that they step inside a gym even with them running hormones. Real damn talk
Why ya gotta be hatin' on the exp guys? I was always nice to you. I never led you astray.. Come on bro bring it in for a hug.
rxagentLol Ed your awesome
Dont start the group hug with out me, coach..
I have rxagent by the ankle...i am runnin' as fast as i can...u okay back there rx agent....sorry bout ya neck....lol
Dont get so excited and think u will be banned, again, even if it is the fourth or fifth time. I heard they were working on a NEW TAG for your rxagent account. Yeah...its gonna say something like HIGH E2 and the color is HOT PINK...woo woo stylin and profilin....just kiddin bro...lighten up....
rxagentLol
lmao! medddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Lol....
Another 23 year old that thinks he's Boston Lloyd. Here's some truth this isn't a bodybuilders site. This is a review site. The actual guys that competes on here is Proly less than ten percent. We care about people health and there is no need for a guy first cycle to run 750 mgs of test. Where do u go your second cycle a gram? Give me a fucking break. Here's what's wrong with some of u young guys, u think u know everything but have no fucking idea about life. How do I know this bc I was just like u at your age and well if I knew half of what I thought I did I would of been dangerous. I'm so happy that your 23 and running grams of gear we are proud of u. Team 3cc baby.
dont feed the trolls and give them the attention they crave, its a kiddy thing, always one or two trolls that have to argue and fuck up a thread, its the reason knowledgeable people have stopped posting up in the forums, because of the disrespectful know it all kids who know nothing.
was a simple post by irongame, not a shit slinging name calling troll fest.
Very true...i like the idea of ignoring a troll who cant back up his talk....better than wasting time spit boxing....some people learn and some people dont.....
All I had to do was read greenmans reviews and I was out! Sad people got infections, then complained, then "new" gear to make up for it, then they weren't smart enough to NOT TRUST that dumbass source n pinned his shit AGAIN smfh and most got ... drum roll please.... Infection AGAIN or horrible PIP! Sometimes common sense isn't common at all...
As for the hypocrisy , I don't think ALL of them are out to bash people with the patented Less is more or Tren is for your 15th cycle lines but theres NO DOUBT most people that are active on here know a few high karma guys like this...
But with that said, definitely not all of them, I've seen some that instead of straight bashing a dude were honest n instead just GAVE ADVICE to help them out... But a lot of bashing, n a lot of bashing that is necessary (21yr olds asking about this n that etc)
I am sure there is more to that story than you are saying right now. But regardless, you aren't going to get banned for anything you said in this post.
Seeing a lot of good stuff in here lol. But for real I've only been posting a month and already I can see the hypocrisy with some of the guys is absolutely ridiculous. Some seem to actually care and want to give advice they think is right yet others seem to get off by shitting on everyone else. Think it's kinda hindering the overall learning of the site
TronLol yup, "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!"
-People running way more than what they willing to admit
-People never coming off cycles yet go off on people who admit been on Test for 6 months
-People giving advice on cutting yet they had never seeing their own abs.
-People claiming to be natty yet they stay on single digit BF% year round & eat whatever
That is on every forum, not just here.
See a lot of these posts here because less is more seems to be the company line for eroids even though most everyone knows better. Yes diet and training should be completely dialed in for the best results but there are no pros out there running even moderate doses, let alone next to nothing like they claim. I'm sure most of them are more along the lines of a Bostin Loyd than they'd like to admit.
Please someone tell me I'm not crazy here ? 250 pounds 5 '9 5% body is FUCKING HUGE. That's frank McGrath status ! I really don't think mr frank is only shooting 3cc of test and a couple iu of growth . This thread is out of control
Shit getting REAL up in this bitch lmao
Your friend is a liar bro! Sorry! No disrespect but you can't believe everything everyone tells you bro! I have a friend that has been saying he doesn do juice for a very long time but is always asking me for it. It's always for someone else! But yet this guy is 210 walks in the gym and pushes 405 10 reps on flat bench! I don't think your friend is telling the truth!
Damn you guys are really this butt hurt that a guy with 70lbs more muscle then MOST of you is running 1/2 the amount of gear? Calm down fellas it's ok, I'm also with you guys running more gear and he's got a solid 60lbs on me. Let's all talk in 40 years of never skipping a meal or a training session and see what we all achieve. A lot of us will never come close probably myself included due to poor genetics, poor response to gear and most importantly these diets that are "dialed in" are not dialed in". How long have most of you been lifting and using gear? Few years, do it consistently for 40 uears and see what you achieve
no dipshit , this guy has never missed a hormone shot , growth shot and insulin shot in 40 years. Diet and training are important factors but at 250 pounds 5 % body fat AND 5'9 it requires constant gear use and large amounts of it.
It sure does and I know this from personal experience.
U need to calm down a lot of guys can look great without growth shot and insulin. Holy shit the drama with u young guys lol. I'm outta here to much Boston Lloyd love in here
Never said people can't look great. I said you can't look 250 5% at 5'9 without it. thanks
Calm down homie lol. Breath then take another deep breathe
lol. Life to short to get worked up.
Wuuuuuusaaaaaaaa lol