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So you just spend the last 10-12 weeks busting your ass in the gym.

You've been forcing yourself to eat when your sick, turning down invitations to go out drinking with your friends, and all the other good stuff that goes along with doing your cycle the right way. Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the fun is just beginning. The easy part is over and the hard part has just begun. Every aspect of your diet, training, and rest has to be completely on point for the next 2-3 months and beyond. This is not the time to start missing meals, missing your calorie targets and macronutrient goals, skipping workouts, staying up all night etc. Everything needs to be perfect in order for to keep as much of this new muscle as possible.

So when you come off cycle your testosterone levels crash, leaving you with lower test levels then a 90 year old diabetic. So in order to successfully keep your gains some adjustments have to be made. When you're on cycle, your testosterone levels are 10 times higher then a normal male. You can train harder, longer and more frequently. During pct you can't continue to do things exactly the same, its a recipe for you to crash and burn. I see a lot of talk on this forum about proper pct protocols with serms and such but hardly anything about how you should be training during this time. So these are some of the things Ive learned during my past pcts that have allowed me to keep basically all of the strength and size I gained during my cycle.

Diet

This is arguably the most important aspect of having a successful pct. As a bodybuilder, power lifter, athlete, fitness enthusiast you should never let you diet slide, but sometimes shit happens thats out of your control and you can't keep up on your eating like you should. Things like moving, vacations etc can make it extremely hard to follow any sort of well structured meal plan, so you must take this into account when planning your cycle and pct. Dont cycle If you know your pct is going end up during the time you're moving across the country, or your going to be spending 3 weeks in Hawaii.

So what that said you need to keep eating big. This is not the time to try to cut some body fat you accumulated on cycle, this is not the time to try to recomp and drop your calories down to maintenance. During pct your body is in an extremely catabolic state, so you need the calories in order to maintain the muscle you put on. If your diet was sufficient for gaining weight on cycle, don't change a thing. If you gain a little bit of fat during pct so what? Its a hell of a lot better to gain a little fat then lose all the muscle you just worked so hard for. Stick to this plan for at least 1-2 month after your pct is complete, so thats 2-3 months after your finish your cycle. And even then make very small adjustments if you feel you gained some unwanted fat. When you add 20lbs of muscle in 12 weeks your body doesn't have time to get used to it like it would if you gained it slowly over a year or two. So if you start making drastic changes in your diet and lowering calories the first thing to go will be the muscle. Our bodies strive for homeostasis and will do whatever it can to return to normal, and this new 20lbs is not normal. So you must do everything in your power to make sure this doesn't happen.

Training

While you are on cycle you can train longer, harder and more frequently then if you were not. But as I stated before your body is extremely catabolic right now, so you must make some changes while you wait for your test levels to recover. The first change you should make is the number of days per week you should be training. Rest days are so important during pct, so you need to add a few more into your weekly routine. On cycle, and when I'm not in pct I train 5 days a week. During pct 4 days has been perfect for me. So I suggest taking one more day off each week, and maybe adding that extra day half way through your split. If on cycle you have already been training 3-4 days per week then you should be fine.

How should you train?

Like I said before when your on cycle, you can train harder and longer. But during pct this is not the case. You need to get in, train hard and smart, and get out as fast as possible. Like I've stated before your body is extremely catabolic right now so you need to make some changes to your training routine. I would limit your time in the gym to 1 hour and 15 minutes MAX. 45mins-1hr would be even better. If your not fucking around and bullshitting with your friends the entire time between sets and checking out the cardio bunnies on the treadmill, then 1 hour should be plenty of time to complete your workout. Drop all of your workouts by 4-6 sets. So if on back day you were doing 16-20 sets, drop that to 12-16 sets, instead of doing 12 sets for biceps do 9 etc, but keep your intensity HIGH. What you have to realize is about 99% of us are not going to build any muscle during pct. It sucks to think about but its the truth. Now some guys including myself can continue to get stronger during pct, but this has nothing to do with muscle growth, and everything to do with the central nervous system becoming more efficient. So your goal is just to get in there and do enough to make sure you body knows it needs to keep this muscle. Now don't think Im telling you to train like a pussy, cause I'm not. You still need to be pushing foor one more rep, or adding 5 more pounds to the bar each workout. But doing tons and tons of sets is going to do more harm then good.

Cardio

I personally drop all cardio during pct. But if you really don’t want to stop doing cardio all together try to do it at a different time then when you lift. So my suggestion would be to do cardio in the morning no more then 3-4 days a week for 30 minutes, and then lift at night. When you lift you want to get in, work the muscle and get out and get some food in you. So doing cardio after you lift just prolongs the amount of time your bodies releasing cortisol and breaking down muscle tissue, and not to mention burns calories that you will need to replace.

Supplements

Im not gonna advise any kind of pct protocols in this post as I believe theres no one size fits all pct, so these are some OTC supplements that have helped me in the past. You should know this already, but these do not take the place of a proper pct with clomid and nolva. These OTC supplements are not necessary, but if you have the extra money I think they are very beneficial.

Creatine

Im sure a lot of you are familiar with creatine and have used it in the past but if you're not ill give you a brief run down of the benefits. First off creatine will make the majority of people retain some water. The water retention is the first thing to go when you start pct and losing 5-10lbs the first week is very discouraging to a lot of guys. So by loading creatine the week before you start pct you can avoid this sudden drop off so you guys don't shit your pants thinking you just lost 5lbs of muscle. You will undoubtedly still lose some water weight, but adding creatine will help keep some of the water on. The next thing creatine will do for you is allow your body to synthesize ATP or adenosine triphosphate at an accelerated rate. ATP is is the chemical in the body that powers your muscles. As you get deeper and deeper into your set, the amount of ATP in your muscles decreases until your fail. So by supplementing with creatine your body will be able to re-synthesize ATP at a faster rate which will allow you to pump out a few extra reps, or add 5 more pounds to the bar. So my suggestion would be to load 20 grams per day of micronized creatine monohydrate starting a week before pct. Split the doses up into 4 5gram doses and take them with a sugary drink. One of these doses would be best taken with your post workout shake. Then after your 7 day loading phase you can back off to just 5 grams a day, and again take it with your post workout shake consisting of both carbs and protein. The fast acting carbs in the shake will spike your insulin levels and transport the creatine directly to your muscles.

Glutamine

Glutamine is an essential amino acid and the most common amino acid found in the skeletal muscles. As I've stated many times in this article our bodies are extremely catabolic during pct. Among other benefits, glutamine is great at starving off muscle catabolism. It is also great at aiding in muscle recovery after bouts of intense exercises. Since you are no longer on steroids your recovery is going to be compromised, so supplementing with glutamine has proven to be very beneficial for me. Glutamine is routinely given to patients by doctors after surgery due to its healing and recovery benefits. So what that said take 5 grams upon waking, 5 grams pre workout to help fight off catabolism during your workout, and 5 grams before bed. You can wait and start this when you start pct, theres no need to load.

Pre workout

As you all know having low testosterone can make you feel very lethargic, and unmotivated among many other things. So using a pre workout during pct can really help get you pumped up and energized for training. Most of the strong pre workouts containing amphetamines like the old jacked, and crazed have been banned but I have found a few that still work really well. I personally like C-4, and the new jacked, not the jacked 3d micro that came out after the ban of the original.

BCAA's

This supplement I have not personally used during my pct but the idea popped into my head recently. I plan on adding it to this pct coming up and I think it would be great to sip on during a workout to give your muscles fuel, and avoid catabolism. It will also be great to sip on if you insists on doing cardio during pct.

Rest Week

Now this is highly individualized. Some guys can lift 12 months a year without ever needing to take more then the weekend off. I personally cannot do this. After about 3 months or so I crashed If I don't take a full week of rest. But just remember this, the entire time you have been on cycle the steroids have been accelerating your muscle recovery, but they do nothing for your central nervous system and that takes a pounding each and every workout. If you're like me and need to take a rest week every so often then you need to plan it into your cycle. Pct and the month after is not the time to do so. If you don’t take a rest or at least de load week at some point during your cycle then your looking at roughly 22 weeks straight in the gym before your at a point where you can safely take a rest week. 12 weeks on cycle plus two weeks wait period plus four week pct plus the month after pct. One month post pct is the earliest I think a rest week should be taken. So my suggestion would be to take a rest week during the first week you’re waiting to start pct. Then you come back fresh and ready to go for at least the next 9 week. The last thing you want to happen is to burn out during pct. Overtraining sucks, and a lot of guys will say theres no such thing as overtraining, just under eating and sleeping. While this is true for your muscle, this is not the case for your central nervous system. You can eat all you want but the only way for your CNS to recover is will proper rest. But like I said we are all different and some guys never need a full week of rest, but some of us do. So if your someone who does you should plan a rest or de load week into your cycle before pct.

Injuries

You should already know to be smart in the gym and not lift with your ego. Nobody really cares how much you can lift, and a lot of times ego lifting will get your injured. If you get injured during your pct or really at any point you will lose muscle. But you will lose it at a much faster rate if it occurs directly after your cycle. So lift heavy and hard, but also lift smart. So make sure your warming up throughly and lifting with good form.

Stress

As you all know stress can greatly effect many aspects of your life including your time in the gym. High levels of stress are associated with lower levels of testosterone, higher levels of cortisol and many other things that are detrimental to a successful pct. You want to avoid your pct overlapping with stressful times in your life. So If you’re working on an important deal or project at work, having a new baby, moving to a new city etc is not a good time to be coming off a cycle and starting your pct so just try to plan accordingly.

Sleep

Sleep is often overlooked but a very important aspect of your routine, especially during pct. Make sure you get a least 7-8 hours of sleep a night, more if possible. Sleep is when your muscles and CNS recover and rebuild the most. Since your recovery abilities are now limited during pct you want to make sure you get your 8 hours every single night.

So these are just some things I have learned from my experiences, and talking with others. Theres no point in spending all the money on gear and food, and dealing with the shitty side effects that steroids can cause just to lose all the muscle you worked so hard to gain. So good luck to all you guys and happy cycling!

I will be periodically updating this if I realize I forgot anything.

Jedijjb's picture

it's a great topic and well write thanks.

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liftallday's picture

Sleep has to be most overlooked concept here both on PCT/cycle/off cycle just in general.

mitamike's picture

Thanx for all this information that you shared from experience . Very helpfull as i am about to go into PCT at the end of this month, after i'll finish curent cycle 14 weeks( prop/npp and masteron( in last 4 weeks only, where i cut the npp down to 50 Eod(from100-150), but still keep it these last 4 weeks,just for the lubrication on my bad joints. Starting Hcg 2 weeks before Pct at 250-500 ui , 2 times a week, then 3 day before pct i do 1200-2000 ui , one final pin of Hcg. and from there standard Clomid/ Tamoxifen pct for 4 weeks .
I am curently at ~3800 cals/day with good macronutrients partitioning( 3-3,5 gr protein/kg, around 20-30% fats( depending on day), the rest is carbs mostly from good sources.
My stats : 35 yo, 83-84 kg( 184 lbs), 175 cm tall(5"8~5"9), maybe ~12%bf.
My question is, and looking for opinions, In PCT and the month after...I know I shoud maintain calories..but I think ~3800 kcal what i eat now, woud be too much then, for the obvious.
So according to my stats, maintenance calories are around~3000. So going into PCT what woud be a good calorie starting point? I was thinking something like 3400? more? less?
Woud love to hear you guys imput on this! Thanks again !

BJ's picture

Great info... I really need to try focus on SLEEP! Such an important factor that is often overlooked!

Bjmoney85's picture

Awesome stuff, very helpful getting ready to do my first cycle! Thanks a million!!

eelbasjak's picture

Nice, thank you. I also take rest while on cycle for a week makes me stronger after. Also on my PCT it is very hard mentally and I feel weak and tired, what really helped me was Tribestan. This time I used Tribulus terestis from ostrovit but it was not the same. Maybe its coincidence but I felt better with Tribestan. Any thoughts guys?

tyler0628's picture

Good read. +1

dodey420's picture

Great post thank you

johnmarshall12's picture

Great post, but you didn't mention the actual PCT protocol itself. A lot of guys screw this up pretty bad and it can add to mood swings, depression, stress, lack of sleep etc . Many of the aspects you covered. You might want to consider adding your exact PCT protocol as I'm sure you have a good one. Please lay out how you use the clomid and Nolva. I'm sure it will help a lot of guys. BTW; I'm a big fan of HCG! +2

Smallballs's picture

Very educational thank you!

bigbob's picture

good stuff +2

Fangsharp's picture

I know this is old but this is another huge piece of info I was searching for. Every question I've had has been answered through search function. Kudos.

irongame427's picture

Thanks guys, when I did pct i kept everything except the 5lbs of water id gain and id drop that the first or 2nd week of pct, all the real tissue always stayed, until i got injured lol.

Omer Khan's picture

Dear sir, i do 20 week cycle and do full 21 days pct with noveldex, clomid and hcg, my testosterone level is recovering but my joints are not feeling well, i have pains start in my joints, please suggest something for me to recover this issue, i will be thankful to you...

giardap's picture

go doc get bloods

Omer Khan's picture

Hats off to you sir, you are really blessing for us, thanks for sharing very value able information...

Draconiaous's picture

Incredible info. Definitely saving this

Righthook's picture

This should be a sticky

Lambz2's picture

great write up man! thank you. keep grinding brother

Jayzgainz's picture

Heading into pct. Great info thanks!!

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Tresh's picture

Interesting. I saw a lot of information about cardio. Many people use it on pct. I'll take your advice. Thanks for this info bro.

xeaven's picture

Thank you good information

traingear's picture

AWESOME, thanks, nothing fancy, just practical common sense.

bulletmatt's picture

Good read mate

getbigat40's picture

Good advice !

unreal89's picture

I know old thread but very good read!

peters's picture

Great read.

Catabolic's picture

Hey iron whem you said "Drop all of your workouts by 4-6 sets. So if on back day you were doing 16-20 sets, drop that to 12-16 sets" did you mean reps? Or total sets through your back day for example. great info by the way absolutely beautiful.

irongame427's picture

Correct, when I used to do pct that's what I'd do, on cycle my muscles could recover from ALOT more volume, 20+ sets for back and I'd be feeling great by my next back workout, I tried the same during pct and I was sore for fucking ever, when my next back workout came around I was weak, sore and not fully recovered. The steroids let our muscles recover so much faster and with higher volume, but during pct you have little to no testosterone in your body, recovery is dramatically hindered, so drop everything by 4-6 sets, not reps, they can stay the same. I'd also add another rest day, I think 4 days is a good number during pct, the goal is just to hold onto the muscle gained, no new muscle is going to be built during that time. During my first few pcts I'd keep getting stronger, but never gain any new muscle tissue, I'd keep my calories high above maintence during October to avoid any muscle loss and going catabolic, plenty of cals to build new muscle but if I gained anything it would be a bit of fat, which is fine losing fat is easy later building muscle is the hard part.

Catabolic's picture

Solid brother you know your shit, let me pick at your brain a little mor. What are your thoughts on supersetting during pct to keep the intensity up and finish your workout quicker so you can be in and out of the gym within that hour mark? Would that be to much for your body in the catabolic state that its in? Or should i just lift heavy and take a longer break in between sets?

irongame427's picture

My thoughts have always been to keep intensity the same, so ya supersets, drop sets, run the run the rack etc have it, just drop the total volume a bit, so you can recover before next workout and you dont end up in the gym forever releasing tons of cortisol.

Swampdog.'s picture

Thanks this is going to come in real handy!!

Catabolic's picture

Real solid info brother! thanks for the time you took to type this info, I will be following these exact steps for my pct.

sic26's picture

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Awaken The BeAsT's picture

Ok I know super late and all but I stay researching bro and imo a true bodybuilder never stops researching this was extremely helpful man appreciate the time you took to write this up thanks

irongame427's picture

Its true, there is ALWAYS more to learn, different training methods, how different foods effect ones body, and then gear. But when someone comes to me and says they finished their first cycle what should they run next, i always tell them the same thing, if you get your diet even more perfected, find out exactly how many carbs you need etc etc, figure out what type of training your body responds the absolute best to you will make better gains running the same cycle you just ran, of course everyones a little curious because we have so many compounds to choose from so i tell them my favorite, a dbol kicker with the same dose of test, no other oral will add as much muscle as dbol in 5 weeks ( with minimal harm to the body)

Awaken The BeAsT's picture

Bro I don't think I'll ever run dbol again shit worries me alot since the whole training issue but I might just stick to test cyp only cycles is definitely working for me put on 4 lbs already only in week 3

irongame427's picture

Man ive said this time and time again, for id say atlest 90% of eroid members ( there are 1000s of us) all we need is some test to reach out goals. Personallly I like some dbol for bulks and var for cuts to really harden up at the end and bring everything out. Thats about as mild as it gets. All the other drugs should be resereved for the guys who are monsters already who just dont gain well on just test anymore. Maybe 10% of eroid users fall into this category, if not less. when my life settles down and im not so busy and I get that chance to finaly compete ill use what I need to, but for the time being im just trying to build muscle and look good, just like the huge majority of eroids members, and high levels of test is about all we need to make this happen as long as diet and training are on point.

Awaken The BeAsT's picture

Yeah bro I am honestly good with test cyp right now Im training for the same reasons look good and be fit man oh by the way didn't know you was an ecto bro so was I and it sucked but made me work harder man congrats on your progress!!!

Baby Herc's picture

Awesome Advice....

IronMikeLives's picture

Thanks Iron. Just did my first cycle a few months back and gained 20lbs and lost 15. Have really been studying and asking questions as I got to get this shit dialed in perfectly. Had heard from a bud on here that some PCT products could be bunk, mine included. No, I didn't do everything you said here but my diet has been great for 15 years. Sure would like to pick your brain on a few things. FR sent. Thanks for the Great article.

teezee's picture

Awesome advice. A great read considering I'm currently doing pct.

CBBurrr's picture

Just about to jump into another PCT, thanks for the words of wisdom bro. I'm gonna use this last week of my prop taper as a rest week before PCT starts.

sic26's picture

Learned a lot of these things but it feels great to read again felt like a refresher coarse thanks ironmag

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