posted Tue, 03/10/2015 - 14:38
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I'm 46 recreation lifter for years. Recently became I'll and lost 30 lbs. That killed my strength and size. In a situation where orals are my only option. Curious as to what will give me the most size. Need details.
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@spanky, did you ever do an oral only cycle?
It's never recommend to do any AAS at all without test but there's been occasions were due to medical reasons people were given var for bone deterioration. IE hiv/aids patients. It has been done, running an oral so. IMHO the only one that can be chanced other then var is Tbol. It should put quality weight and muscle on you that you should be able keep a reasonable amount of. It's one of the least liver toxic Orals so you don't need heavy duty liver protection, I've used nothing more then liv52 and my enzymes stayed fine. Just my experience and .02. Good luck bro
If you are going to do oral only, make sure you use NAC and TUDCA or UDCA to save your liver. I would wait until you can do injections since it is not that long of a wait now. Make sure you buy from a trusted source, too. Over dosed gear is actually worse than under dosed gear, so be careful!
See that's sorta the problem. Whatever you take to "save " your liver either lowers the effectiveness of the drug your taking or just doesn't work at all.
orals are poison. You can try to protect youself from the poison by negating the poison.
Orals are poison. I avoid them at all cost now that im over 40. Injectables are the healthiest way to go unless you can brew up non methylated transdermals.
Why are orals your only option. This site opens the doors to options galore
Did you lose 30lbs of mostly muscle, or fat?
Orals like dbol will certainly add numbers to the scale, but mostly water. I'd do a long steady cycle with injectables if you want clean gains.
Yeah I will. But all Dbol is, is just a bunch of water weight that's easy come, easy go. It's gone as soon as you stop taking it. Tbol IMHO is by far a better choice. More quality weight, more quality muscle, more retainable, safter, less liver toxic. One of the safer and really the only oral other than var can be even considered ran solo. I've ran Tbol with nothing more then liv52?and my liver enzymes were fine. It's one of the least toxic so we don't have to pull out the whole liver protection arsenal. Good luck
If you don t feel good please don t do worse taking liver killers!
All orals are harsh on your liver and most gains will not stay. So basically your damaging your liver for a few pounds of muscle and a lot of pounds of water weight gain. I don't see the upside to any of this.
You need to fully recover from your illness and work on doing this natty. After that, injectable's are the only way to go for health and sustainability reasons.
Not giving any advice at all really, but my first (and entirely irresponsible) cycle was oral only. I don't remember the mg I was taking but it was anavar and winstrol. I went to the gym every night and got very lean and gained more muscle then I ever had at that point. I had long bleached hair at the time (i wrestled, lol), and was walking around my old pad shirtless one time and my roommate's friend told him who's that Fabio guy, meant as an insult but I took it as a compliment lol. In retrospect, I wish I would have worked myself larger before I started, but I had been slacking in the gym and neglecting my body a tad those days. Do not take this as advice, this is not the proper way to cycle. Why orals only though? Have you considered at least tes gel or getting a testosterone prescription? If you have lifted for awhile, how long were you out for? How long since you have returned to lifting? Do you think your best option is steroids?
No!
If doing oral only, use short cycles, 4-6 weeks long. Take your time and don't over do it, this will save your liver. Lots of guys here say shoot up or your not ready for AAS, well that's bullshit. I'm an MMA fighter and short, oral only cycles have worked for me. If you want size I suggest tbol. It's friggin awesome. You will put on size without bloat and you will keep your gains. It is also pretty safe on your liver. However take supplements for your live anyways, better safe than sorry. With tbol and a good diet you can gain up to about 15 lbs. The usual is 8-10lbs. This is why I say do a few cycles. And always post cycle in between, just cause your not pinning doesn't mean you don't pct. Good luck to you homie.
Good looking on that. I'm up in the air on it now. I'm in a alternative to prison program and having any injectable products or supplies will jam me up. Only 90 days left so I'll probably wait. Thank you bro
For sure homie, good luck to you
Well, if it's "bullshit" as you say, what's stopping you from running test prop for 6 or 8 weeks since you run short cycles? You afraid of a needle? Why else would you run an oral only cycle? Makes zero sense to me if you understand the importance of testosterone and how oral steroids are suppressive to the HPTA. Not that exogenous testosterone isn't suppressive in itself, but you need some test in your body to support normal functions. What do I know, though. If oral only cycles work for you as you say, great...but why no needle? Why no testosterone as a base? What's your reasoning?
Check out the groups pages there's one in there for fighters, many fighters do oral only. I've used test c and e befor and I don't mind it at all. Scared of needle? Haha I'm covered in tats my man
Well, Aleve works wonders for test flu! Hahahah! Do your thing baby. Just don't preach oral only cycles in the open because you'll get flamed for it. Basically what I'm trying to say while also educating any youngsters who may come across this post before they fk themselves up.
Test prop makes me sick. Test c and e I put too much weight on, again I'm a fighter I can't gain 30 lbs then lose 50 lbs for a fight
I know some fighters that like masteron. It will increase strength and make you hard to the touch. With very little weight gain. And wight gain comes more from Diet . You could retain the same weight on any gear. Just do a little bit of nutrition homework with your goal in mind.
Alrighty, I can understand the issue with weight as a fighter. If that works for you, that's great. Thing is though is that's not the best way to get the most out of a cycle, nor is it that healthy being at a deficit in testosterone when natty test drops and you have none until you PCT. We don't openly condone oral only cycles here on this board because it can cause more harm than good.
That makes sense homie and understood. I know what I'm doing but not everyone does. So you're right I could prob fuck someone up by preaching about it and I do apologize. Stay safe homies. Just a secret between us I start a cycle in a few weeks and it's got test in it
Word up cuz. Test is the best!
Please let everyone know how many mg of this magical 53-1 aa you take and for how long that gives you 8-10 pounds of lean muscle that you keep. I am curious as hell.
I start at 40 and move up to 75 for 6 wks. Sorry if my gains and experience with it offends you.
I'm not offended, Its just you might be one of the very few in this world that gain 10 pounds on a tbol only cycle especially at a max of 75mg and kept it. It was shown and proven by the germans you need about 150mg a day to make any significant gains. Tbol is my favorite oral and I have done MASSIVE research on it. Tbol is not a steroid for gains or bulking, its a steroid to increase strength and endurance due to its VERY MILD anabolic effect. After any tbol only cycle all the athletes who used it LOST all the added mass and strength which was also proven by the medical tests conducted.They gained it back when they started it again. Sorry if my research offends you.
I'm just sharing my experience with it brother, we're all different. If I loose 4 lbs of fat and gain 6, I count that as 10lbs. I've NEVER lost any of my gains from tbol. I'll correct myself, my strength gains did dip a little when coming off. I'm sure the way I train is also much much different from how you train. But you're right I probably am 1 of not many people who can do this. But oral only I wasn't gonna recommend dbol or anadrol.
Good luck with that! Research some more on what your asking.
Oral only cycles will crash your natty test levels. If you're not ready to inject, you're not ready for AAS. Do more research into why oral only cycles are a bad idea and why you need to run something as a base of all your cycles. Edit: Why do you say orals are your only option?