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MY title is in question form because obviously I'm not the Administration of the site and I'm not the only voice here. I have been a member however over a year and have poured my heart and soul into this board and something concerns me.

I asked myself "Is Eroids depreciating as of late?"
The question is legit and I'm asking you to chime in after I lay out why it is IMO.

We are a tight knit community, we have all defended Eroids somewhere on the net and all get pissed when someone bashes it right? So I ask "well why is that, why are we so protective of it?"
Most of that I guess is because we are so tight knit and family like. We do get irritated with one another like family will. In fact, I got irritated with someone last night and voiced that irritation but truth is I like this guy and he is a great memeber and friend, its family and we can voice to one another is the way I see it.

So heres my point and I'll lay out my argument and you tell me.
I ask you you step out and look in rather than having a closed mind and just defend your current opinion if you have one. Be final because you are right as opposed to right because you are final.
I've noticed far less posts in the steroid cycles area and I think I know why and I happen to think it may be doing more harm than good.
At some point in the recent past the boards have taken on a "attack the newb" mentallity. Now before you go to defending your own guilt or my guilt for doing these things hear me out.

A VERY good friend of mine here recently posted what he thought might be helpful advice in our cycle section. Rather than being diplomatically corrected on information our board has deemed innacurate, he was scorched. He had point deductions and was essentially called an idiot and not just once because the way the board is designed is a somewhat ranked member scorches you and then all the wanna be's come in behind like pupppets and tell someone how stupid they are as well trying to suckle the karma nectar off said ranked members sack.
Now this guy is not only a long time member, he has had to think outside the box for himself given certain well used compounds effect him in a very negative way.
This has over many months caused him to offer suggestions here and there to others thinking maybe he's not the only one thats going to respond negatively to certain comounds.
Again, rather than just a single diplomatic response to his outside the box thought, the whole "newer" community hammered his ass into the dirt, deducted karma and then even had the thread shut down as though he were an outcast to society.
Is that what Eroids is to you? Is that what we are becoming?

So heres the deal, this guy is not only one of the nicest people you will ever meet, he is someone who will extend a hand to anyone who asks and that included me a long time back. He is also a member of our US military and these people are a cut above the rest of us IMO, they actually walk into an office and volunteer to lay their lives on the line to protect this country.
Did I mention he has 2 degree's? Point is, this guy is damn good people and was treated like shit by this community.
I see more and more newb bashing and now its every fing day. Hell we even have a place you can go now and field dress your very own newb before you cut him up and pack him in the freezer for winter meals.

Yes, I understand the same old newb questions get old but no matter how many rants we make and post all over the site, dumb questions will be asked. I just don't want a newb that might feel as though he needs to ask a question to feel he may be scorched and the fact he didn't ask that stupid quesion it cost him his life.

I can tell you this, Aerok lost his and he came into a friendly environment, he was coached by a lot of compassion here and still went the wrong way. Yes, he was flamed a bit but not scorched off the board.
If you are to look back myself and hollywood, roid, Goth etc have done a little flaming, sometimes inapropriately but a little none the less. The one thing we had that s being lost however, is the respect to some degree of other opinions.

I know the board "thinks" all the science is in, there is a single protocol for every single stack that could be run and either you fit into that or your "wrong". I myself recently have changed my views on some hgh protocols, admitted that publicly. The reason I did is that I've never close my mind. I understand these things evolve and if my mind is closed I can't evolve with them.
So let me make the point her, I preferred a more open Eroids over what it is becoming. I preferred a cycles section that allowed opinion and some advice that might not fit into the perfect little protocol adopted here. I also preferred a community that had a more oppen mind and would not death squash suggestions that maybe 5 people have decided were to be "the" opinion. Its killing descent simply because its not "my" belief and when we do that we can't grow..
That closed mind is my big concern but my other concern is how we are beginning to welcome outsiders. They come from other boards often where they were scorched or just come in green from no board and IMO our goal should be to welcome them, help them, guide them to safety and befriend them, make them feel like family and we have a mixed message.

I go into introductions often and welcome a member and a couple days later might see the same new member get his asshole set on fire and sent out the door running down the streets looking for a dbol dealer so he can get his cycle underway.
My suggesgion is this, if you get frustrated with the same old first post BS get out of cycles for a while.
Eroids did just fine without you or I and will do so again for a few days until you can lose your frustration.
You don't have to run out and post a rant about how you will string the next newb that asks for stulid advice up by his balls. Just leave for a while, you are not "the glue" believe it or not.. i'm just saying we are losing our open arms reputation IMO and its not a good thing, in fact its pathetic if you ask me.

I would ask even ranking memebrs to rething what I call nazi type attacks to anything that does not fall into locfk step with your own opinion.
I even ask higher ups in the system as it were to give the new memebers of our family a little slack. Sometimes we act as though its the same guy asking the same dumb questions and often its not, its a new guy that just got his anus set ablaze for the last 90 newbs who asked a stupid question. No this poor guy didn't come in and read for 2 days straight and maybe he should have but since he didn't I see no reason to st him on fire, I can simply direct him to do so.
Maybe think of ourself working in administration somewhere and not being behind your keyboard. Think of these people as human beings and if they were to walk into your building and ask a question, would 10 people stand upp and just drill their ass to the wall? Of course not. So I'm asking espcially you guys who work cycles a lot, welcome people into ths site and community with open arms, if you don't want to yield dumb questions PM me and I'll handle them. You don't actually have to say everything that pops into your head and again, if you get frustrated maybe its time to take a day off. Thats my next concern, believe it or not, there are many many people here to help, maybe the wolrld won't come to an end if you don't have something to say in "EVERY SINGLE POST ON THE BOARD".. If you feel that need fine but its a quick way to get burned outand if you get burned out you get frustrated and that comes through in yyour words.

So thats my opinion, whats yours? Is Eroids better off today and in the long run being a caring community welcoming all memebers be it high intelligence or ignorant or are we better off just scorching the F out of anyone who is not in lock step with every command we give?
I get it guys/gals, we need structure, but when structure gooes beyond the greater good of the whole we have something that is ugly IMO.
I'm a loyal friend sorta guy and I don't make fun of those unlike me, I welcome them to broaden my own thinking and mind and maybe they are better as a result and I am too.

I'M NOT BASHING ANYONE BTW, I KNOW ALL YOU DO IS FROM THE HEART. I JUST THINK ITS TIME TO STEP OUT AND LOOK BACK IN FOR SOME SELF REFLECTION AND ASK IF THIS IS WHO WE WANT TO BE. If it is what the community wants then so be it, I'ma democracy kinda guy too but maybe its time to rethink at l?east and make sure our direction is proper. I love you all so this is froma good place, not angry just a little frustrated.
"HOWEVER"....If you are someone asking the same damn question over and over just in different ways until you get the answer you want, I'll be the guy leading the charge when we torch you.
BTW, READ THESE WORDS.."I AM GUILTY OF THIS AND NOT CASTING BLAME. IF SO I CAST IT UPON MYSELF AS WELL. I am a "tough love" kinda guy but I think tough love is for a little later, not first response.

Pale's picture

Mad respect for this post bro. There are some great dudes still left here on the battlefield but we have definitely lost the two biggest warlords ever in Tread and Viking and for that I am truly saddened. I can honestly say the forums have been pretty lame for quite awhile now, maybe I have helped make that so? I hope not but I have been one of the frequent posters...

Eh, I had a bunch more typed out but it was rambling.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

For me it's whatever rules admin set. If it's no advice under 25 or no Tren talk or whatever then that's what I followed. I'm still sad, upset, pissed, etc that Viking is gone. This place is completely different than when I joined a year ago let alone going back to the glory days. Now we just have to many people getting their feelings hurt. It's like junior high with some of these cliques. It's now just a place to find sources, maybe that's all this site is when you get right down to it.Forums are repetative and lacking some fresh ideas. Everything comes full circle I guess. I think like everything else this day and age, we're just trying to be to politically correct, granted we know what activities this site is about, but you know what I mean.Then on the other hand we let some things go way to far. I witnessed something in a group a couple days ago that just had me so furious and at a loss for words. I think if that happened 6 months ago those accounts would have been publicly shamed then wiped like they never existed, but I don't think it would have happened in the first place. No there's the attitude of its my right to be here and freedom of speech. I don't know. Defintiely in a transition period.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Good on you bro!

Last: Jul 3rd, 2014

Nice to know you still drop bye :))

sic26's picture

See, not trolling vike you are last guru still need you input on on eroids have not been here long but alor of members have helped me learn a lot and you definitely one of them I felt I needed to say that just n case you felt your advice was falling on dead ears Smile

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wolverinewannabe's picture

This reply is from my experience only and not intended to hug any nuts or suck the karma nectar from anyones balls.

Ive only been here a little over 2 months. When I got here I studied a bit before jumping out there. I quickly saw that the cycle I planned to start very soon looked like a bad idea. So I joined and posted the cycle for good advice. I could almost hear tbe matches striking in the background, but nobody flamed me. I started getting negative feedback and a little tuff love right away, but no flame.

I believe the reason is because I responded to the advice and fr's with an open mind and appreciation. I got the help I was looking for because I didnt act like I already knew it all or that I just wanted a cosigner for a bad idea.

In my short time here, it looks like the ones who exhibit a poor attitude or the ones who dont take the time to learn the taboo subjects are the ones most likely to get flamed.

mutant's picture

X2! I've only ever gotten good solid advice on here And stepping in with an open mind helps. I ran my first cycle in the 80s And dozens since then, but that doesn't mean I was familiar with every compound out there, so I took the advice I was given in the ended up being one of the best cycles I've ever run. I see a lot of newbs get on here and ask a question then argue with the advice. should you thoroughly question? Absolutely! So my advice is take a tact that sounds more like a question that argument! be man enough to accept a little tough love, tough love could be the reason that you don't destroy your HPTA for the rest of your life! My pops always told me "Just because you've been doing something for a long time Doesn't mean you've been doing it right"! this forum has helped me bring it from novice to competitor! Always exert a little common sense And you can tell who's an idiot And who is right on!

armykid93's picture

Last board I was apart of ended up turning into what your are describing. People want to feel powerful and the internet is a great place to get that feeling. If someone is wrong there should only be one correction. It's so irritating when everyone wants to make one person look stupid, but that seems to be what every internet board deteriorates into eventually. The last one I was part of ended up being the cool kids club where pretty much anyone willing to make 3000 posts a day was in and everyone else was out. I'm really hoping this board dosent turn into the same thing

kth3446's picture

I was scared to get flamed before my first post but i posted my cycle and thee trouble i was havinnnng with it annnd got great advice. it had the potential to destroy me mentally and physically. Long story short somee guys helped me out before it was too late. rather be fllamed on here than dead in real life, besides for every guy that flamed me 3 tried to help,and 2 more did something in between. eeven the ones who flamed me were helpful in their own way. we really can't be to sensitive or we are probablly in the wrong place.

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ericnonaya's picture

good post! agreement on just about everything although i cant say if its better today than it used to be because i am new......

cavtroopgymhead's picture

Wow, this place ROCKS! i just posted first cycle and got great advice from some very experienced people. The key for us newbies is Study, ask, learn and study more. just started first cycle and man Im Fukin glad I studied this stuff for the months I did. I would've Fucked it all up without you guys!!!! The DIET INFO is AWESOME also!! Weight gain, shakes, protein, lots of great info. I, for one, look at it like this, I love living like this,(Healthy) and need to keep learning as long as I'm on this planet. If I'm NOT learning, What the FUCK am I doing here???? See One, Do One, Teach One. GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Peace!

UgtaBkdNme's picture

Good read, thanks for writing it. I am too new to have much of an opinion on the topic but I certainly have learned a lot from the site and I enjoy the knowledge and the witty banter. I have learned more about how my body works in my short time on eroids than in all my 33 years on this planet, I think that says something of the quality of this place.

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I have been spending a lot more time on the site and learning, and rreading and comparing experiances. I don't just troll the cycle or AAS sections I try to hit them all, and I must say, I can totally understand why people get flamed, Hell my first post Hollywood tore my asshole right out of me, but,,,, It made me think, it made me read more, and it helped me make the right decision. IMO being directed to eye glass was best for me. Shit I see some posts and questions and just run a quick search and 99.9% of the time the answer is there. It may not be the answer you want but it's there. Just like the answers people get in the forums, it may not be the answer they want, but there is a set of checks and balances on this site for giving proper clear consise information with safety being 1st that I have not seen anywhere else. I think this place rocks. Oh and I'm not trying to suck anyones dick!

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

SO i take it you dont like it here??........... ok thats not a problem dont let the door hit you on the way out son.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

...and yet you are still here

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Most youngsters that either dont listen or dont understand the "tough love! approach because life is so soft and easy thesedays are destined to learn the hard way!... its the law of the jungle simple as that! and in my experience will be light years behind in progress than a kid who was responsive from the get go.

This is way it is and will NEVER change... anybody that is given a firm NO will turn against the establishment just like we see in real life it also spills into our world right here!... the strange thing on here though is that i can give someone advice that will actually create their dream body and they fight against me?... unbelievable to say the least but very true!.. were else can people go to talk to real people with real-life experiences?.. but its still not enough for some unfortunately so my answer to this is simply ignorance is bliss and wash my hands of these people and move on.

mutant's picture

Amen brother! Well said!!!

GotThatBoom's picture

Great take on this. Funny thing is how noobs tend to be looked at as actually being new to gear/sarms/peptides. In reality a little more respect is all that is needed to bolster the sense of community around here. Like all sites, ups and downs are going to happen and trolls are an inherent part of forums.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Alright i see ALL you doo-gooders below giving your opinions on how noobies should be spoken to and dealt with etc,........... AGAIN i ask WHY do i never see you people in the steroid cycles section trying to make your theories work ???????

EASIEST job in the world is pulling things to pieces or calling other folks attemtps at something or other..... i suggest you ALL quit talking the talk and start WALKING THE WALK........ all you fucks want changes!.. then start to fkn make some yourselves instead of spouting shit and expecting other folks (like me) to do the deed for you.

IF ANY OF YOU FUCKERS EXPECT ME TO TREAT ANYONE WITH KID GLOVES YOU ARE EITHER FKN DREAMING OR ON THE WRONG PLANET.

potty's picture

In my experience, there is a tendency to answer newbie questions with bashing rather than a well-formed and backed opinion. As a result, the responses end up coming off as group think and that sends my bullshit detector off.

I'm not a stupid guy, I want to know the science and evidence that backs these opinions. Not because I think they are wrong, but simply because I want to learn, it's why I am here.

A few are really good at explaining both what to do and why you should do it. But unfortunately they seem to be in the minority.

Also, as a new guy to AAS, yes, the information is on this site; but it's hard to discover in a way that's super coherent and easy to digest. Especially if you require "why" along with "what".

guitarplayer1's picture

My initial observation upon becoming a member here was that there is bit of bashing to the newbies. I am by no means a newbie to lifting and gear but I am a newbie to sitting at a computer talking with people. I might not know internet lingo but I know my way around the weight room.

Hey I was once a skinny kid and felt kinda intimidated when I first walking into a gym too. I'm sure most have at one point. But when someone feels that way they tend to not ask questions. Just cause you know alot about ass don't make you smarter than someone else. People respond and learn better when they are at ease. Rant over

-GP-

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oversteerisbest's picture

I think it just has more to do with newbies asking questions that can be answered simply by using the search engine, and if they do get an answer, they then ignore it. Or the typical, dude im gunna run a million grams of tren a week and im 19 and its my first cycle and I know all the answers bro.

UgtaBkdNme's picture

I'm pretty new, but I came here from other forums because I thought this one was much better. I have never got in trouble here, and that says a lot having been banned from other sites for NOTHING. Smile

juice55's picture

Really good read I agree totally

Brc0106's picture

good post man im new to alot of this stuff and ive had questions but never would ask cause i didnt wanna fell like an idiot or get treated like one ... but i have found quite a few good guys on here thats have helped me more than they know.. so i think the vets and the guys with the answers should help the ones who dont know and not make em feel like a dumbass newb

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themantisboxer's picture

+1

themantisboxer's picture

WOW. Let me just say this ... I don't make posts very often. I usually get on here and pick up from other peoples' past experiences and knowledge, then move on. I've been on the fence about staying on this forum or not, and you have just solidified my decision to stay. I even sent a friend request. More people need to approach this the way you have. This site will become a powerhouse mecca if more people follow in your footsteps. Thanks so much, brother! Your words have not gone unheard or not taken to heart. Kudos for that. Good to know there's people like you on here.

Gatorclaw's picture

My only two cents:

I ask really stupid questions, sometimes because I am not very good at gathering information on a scientific level. I'm an athlete not a doctor. So I ask because if I didn't ask I could hurt myself. I'm here to grow and learn from smarter, wiser men and women than myself. I need things to be dumbed down but I like to follow a safe protocol.

Every member of this board has done nothing but be kind, and give good solid advice. I think if you treat people with respect and ask stupid questions in an honest and knowing that its a dumb question then you get a strait answer. If your an arrogant person with no respect for wisdom then you don't need to be here. People are here to spread knowledge and experiences so we can learn from them.

No one here is here just to be a dick! But I have learned more from this site than any other place online. I love it here! I appreciate members who do not want others to hurt themselves or someone's else.

That is all.

johhnygslandscape's picture

Well written, very well written. Actually I'm quite impressed at the emotion and conviction that's conveyed to the reader. As a NOOB to this site I have been apprehensive to post, but Ive made some contacts and met some great ppl that are more than willing to lend a hand or answer questions. In reality it is what it is and you gotta have thick skin if you wanna play in this game. Perhaps the "tough love" is just trying to weed out the people that arent meant for the game..

JOEDIEZ's picture

I cried... Very good post. You are right> I dont think I have ever bashed anyone on here but I do stay away these days when before (when we all first started coming here) I would be on here all day in and out. Now, I see so much nonsense that I come in find what I am looking for and leave. This really has been allowed to be a bit of a soap opera. You have made a valid point that everyone better head. No two bodies are the same. I am gaining experience but have found that my body reacts different to guess what different suppliers gear. Now go figure??? yea so understand this. There is science and there is experience. You can not separate the two. We all have to understand so much more about what we are doing. Guy A may have test E 250 and so does Guy B. How its made, conditions under which its made and many other factors can play a part in how it effects you. We really need to be readers more than writers___when your knowledge came from somewhere other than science AND experience. Again, Thats why you dont see me writing much around here. Been here for a long time and I am still a newb in my own eyes. You know I see people still asking. " how do I mix my HGH" well bro if yo have to ask you havent been doing your homework. People answer kindly but it makes me think, "Bro, maybe, Just maybe, you shouldnt be running it yet if you dont know enough about it." READ READ READ. Write less. Believe me, learning is much better than being seen or recognized. If this place is used more for what It was designed for and less as a social site it would be great. Dont get me wrong, We can and should be social, shit I miss Goth Tread and a few of the other guys talking crazy and having a laugh but man its about so much more. If someone has a different opinion this is the place to discuss and somewhat debate until the answer is found together. The only dictator here, from what I remember is BMG and thats cause he pays the bills. Good post and I hope that it reaches the masses and opens the eyes before we as a community implode due to our freedom. Thats what happens when man is allowed to run free.
THAT IS ALL.

Greg's picture

look who's back from the dead

JOEDIEZ's picture

Ive been here bro, just keeping it low. I sneak in and snatch one of your goats here and there for an hour or two and then get out before tread catches me. You know how jealous he is. But this was a great post and I really hope people see what can be destroyed if they dont chill.

alayna's picture

thank you for this post...it really hit home bec i am a new to this site, however i am not new to bodybuilding or health & fitness...i have 25 yrs under my belt...i've trained with the best of them and been trained by the best of them... i did personal training for over 10 yrs.....i may be a girl but i know my shit.....i've also studied and researched alternative medicine and as such have posted alternative remedies to taking prescription drugs...which subsequently got me bullied!! i wld think ppl that have studied and researched so much about working out and AAS wld be open to alternative views....however i have found this not to be true! i joined this site looking to learn and expand my knowledge of not only AAS but training in general....i may know a lot but there is always a lot to learn...and there is always something to teach.....this site is supposed to be about alternative views...so why do some assholes feel the need to stifle my experience bec it does not coincide with their beliefs...and on top of it to be outright rude and insulting in a personal way....it does not leave me feeling open to share my experiences....let me tell ya it takes a lot for a natural female bodybuilder to bench press 130 lbs and to curl 50 lbs. and to go from 105 lbs to 135....not all muscle but a damn good percentage! it has taken years of training and in that alone i deserve credit....

i dont want to give the wrong impression bec many women and men have been so welcoming, complimentative, and inspiring and for that reason i wont be dissuade but for the few men that have chosen to be nasty it is disheartening...

there is an old saying if u dont have anything good to say dont say anything at all....i beleive there is much wisdom in that saying........there are def ppl on this site who are wise and there are quite a few ppl who could benefit from their wisdom and class.

Tread u r one of the wise ones..thank you

alayna's picture

well thank you Tread that was really beautiful ;)

alayna's picture

aw ok thank you Sgt. i will Smile