+ 1 Dianabol discussion as possible "bridge"
Everyone here know how much is important to run a correct PCT and to allow the body to recovery in the best way between AAS cycles.
There is someone who use a little dose of AAS during the cycle to keep the gains...
i heard someone who run a small dose of primo(like 200mg weekly),var(10-20mg daily) or winny...
Big mistake,HTPA won't recovery 100%!!!problems will come!
Yesterday i took part in a seminary here in my country where some pts and doctors(bodybuilder doctors)spoke about the theme "bridge".
After several studies and experiences(sorry but i haven't pages or links)they concluded the best way to conserve gains between cycle...peps,igf-1,hgh,slin are common,but they spoke to add also a small dose of dbol into the "bridge"
Using Dbol in the "right" protcol,will maintain the HPTA axis function 100%:
The reason is:
after restoring HTPA with a good PCT, a Bridging using Dbol can be organized with 10mg of D-bol ONLY in one daily dose in the morning.This is possible Because Dbol would leave intact the axis function: 10mg of D-bol Taken to the awakening go unnoticed pituitary due its short life and the fact that in the morning our pituitary is adjusted to allow an enhanced production of testosterone.
Dbol seems to be the only one AAS can be use in this way for its very short life.
i don't like Dbol and i won't use it in this protocol,but i thought to share this theme with all you.
i don't know what to think,i like to run a small dose of hgh during my AAS cycles and it worked fine everytime
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Does this theory of conserving gains begin during or after pct?
AnonI thought it said after pct once hpta is fully recovered. Running dbol during pct would only hinder a complete recovery. At least thats what makes sense in my head ;-P
Cant wait to see the first cycle log from some kid consisting of nolva/clomid/dbol for pct....
someone does this though PCT too...but is only a "theory"
requires more tests bro
I don't know bro. I'd like to see some written science on this. Especially on dbol flying under the radar. It interesting and I'd love it if it were true but I'd be willing to bet that after you end a cycle and your natty production is shit that there won't be a full recovery or even a good recovery of natty levels.
Sure Dbol in low doses is mild on the Htpa but when you are at the end of a cycle and don't have dick for natty production..I personally believe that even a little dbol is going to suppress that already damaged axis.
We saw this when people were talking about using provi during pct. Sounded like a kick ass idea (hell none of us want to go off cycle completely) but every blood test I saw proved an incredibly shitty recovery.
I think I'd like to see blood tests and some science on this.
thanks for your opinion bro,
i saw the blood test about proviron in bridge but i haven't seen yet a blood test about dbol...
we could pay someone to test it lol
RustyhookerI remember the Provi trial. Wish it worked :(
Yeah, me too. I love that shit.
I was one of them. I definitely wanted it to work. :(
i also hoped...i like prov,would be great ;)
RustyhookerI wouldn't run an AAS bridge personally. Several bridging options had been tried and bloods posted on site showing suppression.
Just started researching peps.
same point of view bro =)
i usually use igf-1 and hgh and they help me so much to keep gain and to recover very well after pct
From the reseach I've done the hpta won't fully recover. on another forum a few years ago a few guys tried it and got bloods and their test levels were like 70% of their baseline. So it kinda works. I know an old guy who's been doing it for years and years . Takes one dbol in the morning everyday can't remember if it's 5 or 10mgs.
I also researched on web some info and the recovery doesn't seem 100%
thanks for your participation brother
Man I just wrote a massive response on this...but I've seen the same thing and heard similar evidence from endo's basically the quick answer is does it goes 100% unnoticed by the HTPA... no...it's also weird that dbol would but anavar wouldn't... just doesn't make sense right...I could see the dbol holding muscle better while "off" but putting less stress on the HTPA then var?
Wait so what are saying the hpta doesn't notice var? I don't believe that. Var has a 11 hour half life compared to dbols 4hr so it's in the system way to long for the hpta not to notice it.
No that what the point made above was that the hpta won't recognize dbol but it will var and primobolan and anadrol...trying to say that dbol is the only compound that can fly under the radar and not effect the hpta...my point on the other hand is I don't believe anything that has the power to retain muscle as far as AAS goes would fly under the radar of the hpta...am I wrong?
Dbol could pass" quite unnoticed" with the above protocol,but i don't know if 10mg in one dose will be enough to keep the gain between cycle...
thanks for your presence bro
Ohh I see what your saying. I mean I think it makes some sense that dbol flys under the radar compared to the others. Anadrol has a. 9 hour half life var has a 11 hour and injectable primo is just in your system forever. So dbols in and out so quickly during that time in the morning when the hpta is producing more test and won't reconize it.
Now on to if it can actually help. Well I would have to say yes more so then being on nothing. Mg for mg dbol is really stong so wen 10mg in the morning is a nice little boost. I do think the body tends to adapt to things rather quickly so after a while taking tat dbol will be like taking nothing. Just my opinion tho.
What I just realized is op got this info from doctors, so I guess my opinion is pretty worhless. If they say it doesn't effect the hpta then who am I to argue.
Yeah same here who are we compared to doctors...I have heard this from a lot of people though...I've never heard that it doesn't affect the hpta at all...but I have heard that it is one of the preferred bridging methods
Ya same here I've never heard that it doesn't affect it at all. But that's coming from guys like you and me. If a doctor who is knowledgable about bodybuilding says it doesn't affect It at all I trust him more then all the broscience out there.
My point may have came across a little sloppy I just wrote like a book long response to this and it blocked my post so that comment about the var was written hastily I'm not saying anavar will go unnoticed and not affect the hpta I'm saying I think anything exogenous will to varying degrees
AnonSeems kinda pointless to me, either go off cycle or cruise into your next one. I think running dbol as a bridge between cycles would be more trouble than its worth.
Loose_Cannonthats very interesting i wish there was more information on this subject
infact there aren't so much info around bro...
Very interesting my friend,its note the fist time tha i listen it, really i dont know i haven´t enough knowledge, i will try to investigate it and sure wait for the experst opinions here, thanks so much for this post.
thanks my friend,
i will wait for veterans opinions too...