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+ 1 A newbies notes on injections or How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love the Pinz

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I am not a needles guy. Not at all. I don't flat pass out, but I have gotten light headed during injections or blood draws.

This, of course is a bit problematic, if you intend on trying AAS.

So here's some notes. I am halfway through my first cycle now, and I am doing twice weekly injections IM into my thighs.

Buy quality needles and syringes. I got BD PrecisionGlide, but any name brand would do.

I'm not very large so I decided to go with one inch needles. You could go longer, but I'm a wimp. Get some fatty ones to draw juice out of the bottle (18 gauge - 18G1) and get slimmer ones for actual injection (I got 25 gauge - 25G1). I got 3mL syringes (my dosage is 2mL so it fits...)

These needles are sharp. But they are soft. They don't hold their edge very well. That means they get blunted after one use. So you could theoretically draw out of the bottle (one use) and then use the same needle for injection (second use), but don't. Switch needles, use a fresh one.

You should use the thigh. There's other places, but the thigh is easy. Really.

Watch some youtube videos on how to inject. Try watching some actual doctors or people with chronic medical conditions where they have injected daily for years. Don't watch newbies fumble around and do it wrong. The main thing is watch is how they pick the correct injection site.

Practice. Get your supplies out as if you were going to do a real injection. Get a little cup of water to simulate juice.

Know your dosage. (Me - I am using 1.5mL Test E and .5 mL Deca, so total injection volume is 2 mL.) Get a syringe with fatty fill needle. Fill it with water from the cup to simulate medicine. Fill it with correct amount. Make sure you get all the air bubbles out.

Switch needles, put injection (thin) needle on. Leave it covered. You are ready.

Follow the site selection protocol to pick a spot on your thigh (middle third, outside). Look closely at your thigh, and pick a land mark, like a freckle or bump. You want to be able to take your eye off the site, fiddle with gear, and then go right back to the same site.

Prep the site.

Now get a piece of fruit. I used firm nectarines. You will use this to simulate your thigh. Hold the nectarine up against the thigh site. You are going to inject the nectarine as if it was your thigh.

Put the needle in the nectarine. Watch the video, hold it like a dart and poke it in. Not slowly, slowly hurts more. Put it in until the needle has almost disappeared (like .75 inches in or a little more).

Simulate aspiration. Draw back on the plunger a bit. Think to yourself "watch for blood". If you see blood from your nectarine, you must be tripping:) If you were really doing this on your actual thigh and saw blood, you would abort the injection, pull out and try again at another spot with a fresh needle. I have not had to do this in practice.

Inject as if you were doing it for real. Go slowly. The slower you go the better (better = less pain now, and maybe less PIP later). With a 25G1 needle it'll take at least 30 seconds for 2mL to go in.

Pull out. Cap the needle. Deal with sharps correctly. Eat the (juicy!) nectarine.

I did this over and over again, a couple of times a week, seeing as I was waiting forever for Naps gear to arrive and I didn't have any real juice yet Smile

Your thigh is denser than the nectarine, but it is something like it. I also tried apples and bananas, but firm unripe nectarines seem the most like my thigh.

Other notes:

Don't be so damn tense. It's not that bad. Really. The first couple I did, I was so tense I was shaking and it was hard to hold the syringe accurately. Relax.

The forums have all sorts of crazy people blathering about breaking needles off or needles exploding, yada, yada. That stuff doesn't happen. You'll be OK. These needles are flexible, even under stress they just deflect or bend - they don't like "snap" off. At least my quality BD ones don't.

Be clean. Wash you hands. Do the prep. Use alcohol. Don't let an injection ready needle touch anything before it goes into your leg. If you do bump some dirty thing with it, take it off, put a clean one on. They are cheap. Injecting alien bacteria deep into your thigh is no joke. You may get to go explain to the nice ER doc why you have this crazy abscess in your thigh. Be clean.

At least on my thighs, the only thing I usually feel is the needle entering the outermost skin layer. It's that initial interface where you feel the pinch. Going slowly or weakly actually hurts more. Be firm and be deliberate. You don't have to rush it and jab it in, but slow insertion doesn't hurt less. Once it is in, then the rest of the insertion is usually painless. So I am oblivious to going in the full needle length, deep insertion doesn't hurt.

Post injection pain. This is very product related. So what you are using may or may not cause PIP. In my case I am using GP (Geneza Pharmacy) and I get mild PIP, both from 250 mg Test E and 250 mg Deca. Regardless if your juice is PIPpy or not, slowly injecting it (i.e. like taking 30 seconds per mL) will reduce the damage the high pressure liquid stream is doing to your muscle. (It's like a miniature pressure washer, it's BLASTING out of there, you want to turn it down, go slowly...)

My PIP is probably product related. I get it every time. It feels like a dull muscle ache, like from overuse. It is not necessarily directly at the injection site, the pain wanders around a bit. It almost feels like a mild charley horse. It comes the next day after injection and lingers for a day or two. Mine is not so bad to keep me from lifting or running.

Mixing product. I am pinning 2 different products. The first time I pinned them, I put one product into each leg (2 injections). I paid attention to which product went into which leg, just in case I had a terrible reaction, I would know which one caused it. "Real" medical people would never mix 2 separate products in one syringe. Nonetheless, on subsequent injections I have always mixed them. BE CAREFUL. It is crazy easy to mix up which product is what. One time I reversed Deca and Test, so I had 3X the Deca dose (1.5mL instead of .5mL) and I was short on the Test dose (.5mL instead of 1.5mL). You can draw both with the same fatty draw needle. When drawing out of the second bottle, try not to put the first product in it (try to keep them separate).

Alternate legs. I do left leg on Mondays, and right leg on Thursdays.

Mark your bottles! Know which ones you are actively using and use them until gone before you go to the next ones.

Make this a routine. People like routines. Do this in the same place in the same room every time. Lay your gear out the same way every time. Prep the same every time. Inject the same way every time. Having it be practiced and routine makes me relax (i.e. I got this, I've done it before, it's not a big deal...)

My injection sites take about a week to heal. That's just about right, since I only need each one once per week. I may be able to see last weeks injection site (like a little scab or whatever) as I scout for the new site. I don't pin into exactly the same spot, but I don't move very far from it (like a 1/2 inch to the left of last week's or whatever.)

It's really not that bad. You can do this. The injectables work a LOT better than orals and they don't eat your liver up like orals do. The chemists did bad juju to the orals to get them to survive your body's attempts to deactivate them, and they really aren't good for your liver. Really.

So that's How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love the Pinz.

Keez's picture

I was shit scared of injections, as a kid.
I found being in control of the pin gave me more confidence.
I look forward to the pin.
Rotation of sites is a must.

hydr0o's picture

Another thing I noticed.. Turn on your favourite tune!! It will relax you and it will make it a lot easier ;)

black-dragon's picture

For people that are shit scared of needles, I recommend starting off by just sticking a 1/2" insulin needle in (with nothing inside). It's difficult to make it hurt and it's a lot less scary than 1" and 1 1/2" needles of a smaller gauge.

movescount's picture

Great info! Thanks!

Daddy78's picture

Really good info!! Thanks bro!

humbletim's picture

Great notes from a personal perspective Smile