I use both, sometimes I run my ugl test for TRT is all the same. You will not notice anything.

Good sources here sometimes come in with better numbers then my legal Pfizer scripts. Know quality diet will give you amazing gains by 50 percent and good discipline at the gym will give you another 40 and good rest another 10. Aas will only help you push your max. Explore your potential first with the best food.

If your talking Orals I will advices you not to take any at all, but if your going to take them go with pharm grade.

Ugl got the oils perfected to a tee. Some ugl have excellent Orals some don't.

I think it just comes down to guarantee vs quality.
Pharma is guaranteed in most cases, and the UGL is a gamble - but if you get excellent UGL, it'll be just the same in my eyes.

Used both, if it comes from a decent source you will and shouldn't ever notice a difference, at least that's my experience, totally different for orals, pct and ancillaries, always go with pharma there if you can

its all about the Benjamins.. if you got the money go for it. if you don't.. a lot of ugl here is g2g..

You could get the UGL gear tested and a substitute if underdose with a higher mg to accumulate for the weakness in the concentration of the UGL's hormone... IMO I would much rather run a little than a lot bro.. varies reason, money, pip, reduction in the possibility of infection, barrels are only so big... if your run 4 mgs ugl tantamount to 2 mgs pharma, it kinda speaks for itself IMO... but when it comes down to it, when maximizing gains, it has a lot to do with caloric intake, training and recovery...

A shitty bottle of test is one thing but bunk or under dosed nolvadex during PCT is a nightmare or even worse adex which is really nolvadex while you're running a 19nor, I've seen it before! I'm current in the proses of changing all my ancillaries to pharmaceutical products for these very reasons.

Pharma all day

I will always prefer pharma if its available and i have the money, however some top of the line euro ugl's are pretty impressive. some do everything right and get pretty close to an aseptic enviroment.

on the other hand there are labs that could never have access to same equipment, and they have to be so clandestine that it could effect everything from equipment being used to corners cut during filtration. I try. to stay away from domestic ugl for the most part beecsuse i just can't see these guys mass producing in anything like a clean room. There are also so many concerns people don't often think of regarding safety. how about independant trash disposal, you can't just fill a garbage bag with used lab equipment and filters. a lot of people may not be familiar with aas brewing processes, so they would probably think it were a meth lab. it won't matter much tho once you get that knock!!! There are just a lot of corneers being cut.

Here's my 2 cents. My wife is a pharm D, so I get presents once in a while and have played both UG and Pharma grade... For me- Pharma grade orals blow away anything in UG's right now,,,except maybe drol, There is some pretty good Anadrol kicking around right now,,,but Find me some var,d-bol-or even some winstrol that is as good or close to pharma, you cant. It's not out there that I know of... Some of the older guys on here can attest to the dosing back in the day of d-bol and var- and there is no compaeison. Now oils-so far from the top sources I have bought from here they have all been tight with dosing... They will not lose business to make an extra 5 bucks on a vial when there doling out hunfreds a week. I have my oils lab speced and they all came back within 5%. I get bloods when I'm on as well which gives me further clarification that the dosing is good. If my test level is 6000 my test is good. Even if i was missing the 10% my test level would still be 5400. Thats still a winner...Know what your buying, Know what your doing, And work hard and no gains will be hindered....

Bro, when u say your gains are being hindered and you are suspecting the steroids could you elaborate a bit?

Ive used both.

If you're using legit ug (95 to 98%)
It's no different at all.

As stated: b
batch issues.
compound issues.
sterility.
harmful additives.

Most of these sources (while good) are selling 75-80% compounds. That's not good enough for me...
I don't think any source is testing their stuff.
If they did, they'd be adding in extra powder to make up for the percentage.

Having used a lot of both, personally I don't think there is any comparison. If you can afford pharma, legit pharma, that's the way to go for so many reasons:

1. Don't have to be concerned that the quality varies from batch to batch
2. You know exactly what compound you are getting
3. You don't have to worry about sterility or other harmful additives

What a lot of people don't understand is FDA regulations say the contests in the vial/pill need to be within 20% of what's on the label. So say something's 100mg/ml, 80mgs is ok and so is 120mgs. And a lot of times this is how it is. My dermatologist told me about a certain brand of accutane he used to prescribe and this was a big problem with it. Some peoples results with it reflected they weren't getting enough and other people seemed like they were gettjng to much despite being on the same dose. A lot of these high end international ugls are consistently within 10% of what's stated.

When using pharma IMO your paying for clean gear. This stuff ain't made in some dudes basement, it's made in a real factory with actual quality controls. But again back to these very high end international ugl, they are also made in these same Gmp factories. Some are actually considered human grade in the countries there made in. I like to stick with these labs because if you get them from a reputable source the chance of fakes are slim to none and with pharma grade there's probably more fakes out there then the real deal. Pm me if you wanna know the brands im talking about.

We'll here's my theory, is that possible 20% worth the price being 2-3x more expensive? Imho no, at least not for me.