Im ready to be flamed, but please help me out.
Can someone help me plan my PCT?
I've been running a cycle for way too long, and I want to get off but fear that I may be TRT, not that that is the worst thing, but I was stupid when I decided that I wanted to pin and do bloods my entire life.
I have been on since october 2013 on test p and tren, went off in december 2013, went back on in january 2013 after finishing muta's perfect pct, In january I went on test p and tren and mast, then february to march i did tren and mast no test, then march to april took a short break at trt dose, and from may on i have been on tren most of the time, some deca/npp other times, high test, medium test, and now I'm on trt dose test and anavar trying to get cut up before I pct off in September (I'm pct in september because I need to be functioning all of july and august, I can drop the var but i figured it would help me preserve some muscle mass while increasing my strength before i PCT off).
I have HCG, perfect pct's, nolva, clomid, I feel that nolva works for me despite being on 19nor. Please help me lay out a plan... Thanks
I know I was stupid, I am ready for a reaming, but please after scolding me help me out.
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TARANISman what can a say your not leaving enough time between cycles,which puts you in a huge pile of poo poo,you need to stop messing about and do things properly especially with tren,i'm saying no more on this matter i have just replied to someone else, where i was reluctant to do so
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what is the TRT dose you are on now?
mh001Thanks everyone for your input. I'm going to let the test clear out of my system I'll star the HCG now at 1000iu EOD for the next 14 days. Then I will do Clomid at 100/100/100/50/50/50/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/40/20/20/20/20/20 and aromasin at 12.5/12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25 -- And lets see where the chips fall... I'll keep everyone updated.
AnonWhat kind of test are you on? Long ester?
mh001ya but i can switch it to prop.
AnonWhy did you say you need to be fully functioning in July and August? I just need broad picture not details
mh001I'm starting at a new graduate school, and i need to be focused not depressed or down at all, high energy, and a leader. Its imperative that i give off a good-strong first impression.
AnonMan that's tough because I'd be consigning for you to continue a reckless path. IMO you need to taper off the long ester with prop. Start an aggressive pct as soon as the long ester is out of your system. I like irons plan but I'd definitely include Aromasin into the pct. Your choice Nolva or tore.
I'm really torn here cuz you just pmd me the other day wanting a cutting cycle. I'm glad I didn't PM you a set up.
mh001lol... even if you had i would still be here right now... I plan on using the cutting cycle when I get back into it. But thats another story for another time... I didnt see a plan from Iron. I'm going to include aromasin, do you think a perfect pct combo would be sufficient then with HCG to kickstart it like iron suggests? but perhaps 2 pills a day for 2 weeks the 1 pill a day for 6 weeks after blasting HCG for 21 days at 1000iu eod?
ill probably do 2 pills for 3 weeks, then 1 pill a day for 5 weeks. I'l do bloods the day i start pct, and ill do them again after the 3 weeks, then again after week 8 to see if i need to continue.
I would go pharm grade pct bro.you don't wanna risk underdosed or bunk pct meds for this pct. especially if that perfect pct is made by a specific source that just disappeared. If so I have it to and I'll be throwing it in the trash as the rest of the gear I got from them was junk. Underdosed gear is one thing but underdosed pct meds can really fuck you up.
mh001I also have it from a very reputable source that is currently on here, who i trust implicitly. But i will consider purchasing all of these drugs pharma, they cant be that expensive right? LOL
AnonNo actually there's a promo selling specifically pharma meds. You have time so order some. Pharma all day with this one
No dude there Actualy realt pretty cheap except the aromasin. That stuff is pretty expensive but nolva and clomid are cheap as hell.
DHTmanYou need positive feedback to your hpta. Idk about doses but your pct might wanna include....
Aromasin (test booster and AI)
Nolva (if it doesnt screw with your 19nors...)
Clomid(duh)
Toremifen (ive had good expeirence with pct after 19nor cycle)
Raloxifen(also a very good serm with 19nors)
HCG( but not too long as it can also suppress natty test)
HGH (3iu maybe ed for a couple months for the positive feedback to your hpta. Lots of guys have had great pcts with growth included. And lets be honest you will likely loss some gains and this may help your mental state or pct blues)
I dont know your bloods so I cant say doses but these are things ive tried and found useful in a productive pct....
Good luck brother.
Stop using anavar.
DHTmanDamn bro......
Why on so long?
What changed your thinking to come off.now?
Why not ask a.doctor?
Whats your bloods.look like right now?
Stop using anavar....
How do you feel physically/mentally right now?
Stop using anavar.
Test 200mg week till you get PCT advice based on your current bloods. ...your age will also determine the amount of damage you've done and your ability or lack of to rebound.
Good luck.
Stop using anavar.
mh001my bloods look fine... slightly high rbc but that is being taken care of by donating this week. Aside from that im all good. E2 was 36 last time i checked. Test was ~5000
Well where gonna have to come up with a very solid pct plan. Nothing can be laid out in stone you hAve to go by how you feel. But in think a good start would be 8 weeks of nolva and Clomid. Some of the aromasin guys might chime in and say use that to but I don't have a lot of knowledge about it when's used in pct. it might be beneficial to start the hcg now, wake your balls up with a 10 day blast maybe even a little longer and then back off to the twice weekly dose is 250-500ius. Another short blast mkght be needed right befor pct. I think it would be wows to drop down to a trt dose or at te very least drop all other compounds 6-8 weeks before you start pct. you might be a good candidate for triptorlin also. Let me think a little more about it and I'll get back to you. You might recover bro nothing's set in stone yet. Definitely was not a smart choice to do this tho. But not point in lecturing you about the past all we can do is move foward and try to fix this.
mh001thank you. what do you mean wows to drop down to a trt dose? worse or wise?
Sorry I'm typing on my phone. I think it would be wise to drop to a trt dose or drop all compounds except test so you don't have other shit with longer esters lingering keeping you suppresser.
mh001great... thanks, damn autocorrect. So how do you feel about 100/100/100/100/50/50/50/50 clomid, 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20 nolva and 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25 aromasin - Ive had success with these doses but not for this amount of time. Also I will blast HCG at 250iu 2x ew for these next 8 weeks. then wait 2 weeks for the test e to wear off and the hcg to clear my system. Hopefully this will suffice.
It seems based on the article posted below that I should follow standard pct protocol for 4 weeks (100/100/50/50, 40/40/20/20, 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25) then continue the lower dose indefinitely until my numbers kick back up to normal levels with the addition of HCG at 250iu ew. I think I will go with this protocol and if it does not work within 10 weeks I will go for a more drastic approach, such as trip or something similar. I'll be researching methods during these 2 months, and the 2 months that im on.
Ok well there's a few things wrong wih this plan. First and maybe I'm interpreting you wrong but you can't run hcg during your pct. hcg is basically a synthetic form of LH, it does the same thing. So if you body senses and it will, that your still giving it synthetic hormones it will not start producing on it's own. Without explain the events that take place before the pituitary releases LH, LH travels through the blood stream down to your balls to your lydeg cells which them signal your balls to produce test. So the hcg takes the place of LH, and this will cause you balls to plump back up to full size. Thais basically all it's good for. So them when you start your pct you don't have to wait for then to grow back to size so they can produce test at optimal levels. So that's all it does, gets your balls ready for pct. like I said your body will not recover while hcg Is in your system, it must be stopped 4 days before you start pct. next the 250iu twice a week is worthless for you. That's only for guys who use it from the start of the cycle to prevent atrophy from occiimg in the first place. In order to wake your boys back up it's gonna take a lot more then that. I started my hcg mid cycle and had to blast 1000iu eod for 10 days before they came back to size before I backed down to 500iu twice a week. So either wait until like 21 days before pct to start an hcg blast of 1000iu eod until 4 days before pct , or do a 10 day blast now, but just starting 250iu twice a week isn't gonna do shit for you since you.
As for your Clomid doses, id rather wait for someone with a little more experience to suggest dose. I don't feel comfortable doing it cause Clomid can cause some permenant problems with your vision. So I dont know if it's safe to run 100mgs for 8 weeks. Might be, not sure what dose women use for fertility, but I just don't knkw for a fact.
mh001oddly enough my balls dont atrophy. same size and still swinging.
Also, wont 1000iu of hcg eod cause some sort of negative feedback or desensitization?
I mean ya the same kind of negative feed back loop injecting testosterone does. Your body senses these synthetic hormones and will not start production on its own until they clear. But we are not using the hcg to kick start your natural test, that's not what hcg does, it just mimics LH so your balls wake up and are ready to go when you start your pct. I explained before what hcg is good for, and the only time It will be a problem is if you try to use it during pct. if you use it during pct your body will sense it's being given synthetic hormones stil and the it will not produce gnrh which then won't signal the pituitary to produce LH etc etc. and no it will not cause desensitization to the Lydeg cells. You would have to abuse it for a while for that to occur. Doctors routinely prescribe 5000iu doses every few days for an extended period of time to men with fertility issues. 1000iu is standand protocol that myself and others have used many times without issue.
mh001great thanks... I will do that 21 days before i start pct I will do 1000iu eod. Thanks for the help!
The standard protocol for guys on a normal cycle is 14 days before pct 1000iu eod so you stop 4 days before pct. if your balls really haven't shrunk at all just do that. I figured yours were raisins and might need tje extra week but of there still decent size just do the 10 day blast starting 14 days from pct.
HOLY @#$%!! That is a lot of 19-nors without fully letting your body recover. Ted has you pointed in the right direction but you may have done some serious damage. Best of luck brother hopefully everything works out and you learn a valuable lesson without life lasting consequences.
Being on that long the standard 4 week pct isn't gonna cut it. I've seen people advise on situations similar to this with multiple different view points. I've seen longer pcts of up to 8 weeks with higher doses the first weeks as well. I'm not going to give and specific advice because i don't feel comfortable doing so.
However, this is a post you might want to read through.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-for-trt-f...
RustyhookerRead that and definitly chat with Carlos danger. He is great on pct
mh001Already done... message already sent.
mh001thank you +1
How was Feb and March for ya? Tren, Mast and no Test! You know better than that don't you?
mh001it was fine... proviron kept my libido in check and i had no sides from the tren... I don't recommend it, but I'm not against it either.
Interesting.