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Im ready to be flamed, but please help me out.

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Can someone help me plan my PCT?

I've been running a cycle for way too long, and I want to get off but fear that I may be TRT, not that that is the worst thing, but I was stupid when I decided that I wanted to pin and do bloods my entire life.

I have been on since october 2013 on test p and tren, went off in december 2013, went back on in january 2013 after finishing muta's perfect pct, In january I went on test p and tren and mast, then february to march i did tren and mast no test, then march to april took a short break at trt dose, and from may on i have been on tren most of the time, some deca/npp other times, high test, medium test, and now I'm on trt dose test and anavar trying to get cut up before I pct off in September (I'm pct in september because I need to be functioning all of july and august, I can drop the var but i figured it would help me preserve some muscle mass while increasing my strength before i PCT off).

I have HCG, perfect pct's, nolva, clomid, I feel that nolva works for me despite being on 19nor. Please help me lay out a plan... Thanks

I know I was stupid, I am ready for a reaming, but please after scolding me help me out.

CBBurrr's picture

what is the TRT dose you are on now?

irongame427's picture

I would go pharm grade pct bro.you don't wanna risk underdosed or bunk pct meds for this pct. especially if that perfect pct is made by a specific source that just disappeared. If so I have it to and I'll be throwing it in the trash as the rest of the gear I got from them was junk. Underdosed gear is one thing but underdosed pct meds can really fuck you up.

irongame427's picture

No dude there Actualy realt pretty cheap except the aromasin. That stuff is pretty expensive but nolva and clomid are cheap as hell.

irongame427's picture

Well where gonna have to come up with a very solid pct plan. Nothing can be laid out in stone you hAve to go by how you feel. But in think a good start would be 8 weeks of nolva and Clomid. Some of the aromasin guys might chime in and say use that to but I don't have a lot of knowledge about it when's used in pct. it might be beneficial to start the hcg now, wake your balls up with a 10 day blast maybe even a little longer and then back off to the twice weekly dose is 250-500ius. Another short blast mkght be needed right befor pct. I think it would be wows to drop down to a trt dose or at te very least drop all other compounds 6-8 weeks before you start pct. you might be a good candidate for triptorlin also. Let me think a little more about it and I'll get back to you. You might recover bro nothing's set in stone yet. Definitely was not a smart choice to do this tho. But not point in lecturing you about the past all we can do is move foward and try to fix this.

irongame427's picture

Sorry I'm typing on my phone. I think it would be wise to drop to a trt dose or drop all compounds except test so you don't have other shit with longer esters lingering keeping you suppresser.

irongame427's picture

Ok well there's a few things wrong wih this plan. First and maybe I'm interpreting you wrong but you can't run hcg during your pct. hcg is basically a synthetic form of LH, it does the same thing. So if you body senses and it will, that your still giving it synthetic hormones it will not start producing on it's own. Without explain the events that take place before the pituitary releases LH, LH travels through the blood stream down to your balls to your lydeg cells which them signal your balls to produce test. So the hcg takes the place of LH, and this will cause you balls to plump back up to full size. Thais basically all it's good for. So them when you start your pct you don't have to wait for then to grow back to size so they can produce test at optimal levels. So that's all it does, gets your balls ready for pct. like I said your body will not recover while hcg Is in your system, it must be stopped 4 days before you start pct. next the 250iu twice a week is worthless for you. That's only for guys who use it from the start of the cycle to prevent atrophy from occiimg in the first place. In order to wake your boys back up it's gonna take a lot more then that. I started my hcg mid cycle and had to blast 1000iu eod for 10 days before they came back to size before I backed down to 500iu twice a week. So either wait until like 21 days before pct to start an hcg blast of 1000iu eod until 4 days before pct , or do a 10 day blast now, but just starting 250iu twice a week isn't gonna do shit for you since you.

As for your Clomid doses, id rather wait for someone with a little more experience to suggest dose. I don't feel comfortable doing it cause Clomid can cause some permenant problems with your vision. So I dont know if it's safe to run 100mgs for 8 weeks. Might be, not sure what dose women use for fertility, but I just don't knkw for a fact.

irongame427's picture

I mean ya the same kind of negative feed back loop injecting testosterone does. Your body senses these synthetic hormones and will not start production on its own until they clear. But we are not using the hcg to kick start your natural test, that's not what hcg does, it just mimics LH so your balls wake up and are ready to go when you start your pct. I explained before what hcg is good for, and the only time It will be a problem is if you try to use it during pct. if you use it during pct your body will sense it's being given synthetic hormones stil and the it will not produce gnrh which then won't signal the pituitary to produce LH etc etc. and no it will not cause desensitization to the Lydeg cells. You would have to abuse it for a while for that to occur. Doctors routinely prescribe 5000iu doses every few days for an extended period of time to men with fertility issues. 1000iu is standand protocol that myself and others have used many times without issue.

irongame427's picture

The standard protocol for guys on a normal cycle is 14 days before pct 1000iu eod so you stop 4 days before pct. if your balls really haven't shrunk at all just do that. I figured yours were raisins and might need tje extra week but of there still decent size just do the 10 day blast starting 14 days from pct.

D_III's picture

HOLY @#$%!! That is a lot of 19-nors without fully letting your body recover. Ted has you pointed in the right direction but you may have done some serious damage. Best of luck brother hopefully everything works out and you learn a valuable lesson without life lasting consequences.

TED's picture

Being on that long the standard 4 week pct isn't gonna cut it. I've seen people advise on situations similar to this with multiple different view points. I've seen longer pcts of up to 8 weeks with higher doses the first weeks as well. I'm not going to give and specific advice because i don't feel comfortable doing so.

However, this is a post you might want to read through.

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-for-trt-f...

guitarplayer1's picture

How was Feb and March for ya? Tren, Mast and no Test! You know better than that don't you?

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birdbear27's picture

Interesting.