+ 2 3 guys 8 weeks into TestE/MastE/proviron no AI findings
Well fella's myself and two of my closest brothers are 8 weeks into this cycle. Them two guys are 50 years old I am 40 of course. One is lean 12-14% BF the other closer to 20% (6'4 tho) I am 15-16%. We started this cycle with the intent of using no AI and for those two guys it has worked great. They have had no estro issues at all and all three of us are loving the cycle overall, they both consider the best of the 3 we have ran.
With me, at four weeks in I couldn't deal with the estro sides any longer and started a very light dose of aromasin. I actually have developed a hard spot under the left nipple, it feels kind of flat tho and my nipple is not sticking out like full blown gyno. I was also getting acne on my chest and back like never before. several days ago I ramped up he aromasin to around 10mg a day and the acne seems to be finally disappearing. So the old adage goes "every one of us is different" there seems to be no rhyme or reason behind it.
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estro comes and goes like the wind for me, I can get it at week 3-6-8-14 or it may never show. its not uncommon for me to have a tiny dime shaped bump under my nipple and oddly enough I feel better that way then i do if i try to get rid of it with dex. once in a while it will get thicker and it hit a shot of dex and itll go away, matter fact 2 weeks ago that dime thickened and i took 1mg dex 2 days in a row and it went away and nothing has come back.
I dont mind a little estro, but to much has to be addressed. thus I just keep the AI on hand and use accordingly. dex at .25mg/3 days makes me feel a little weaker and tired compared to if i dont use it.
with cycle experience you will find what works for you and thats what you should use. everything taught here is the basics to keep you safe. adjust accordingly with experience.
Thanks Noid and yes it was going pretty good them first few weeks and then that old familiar tingling of the nipples started. I asked the other two guys if they were feeling anything, one (the lean one) said just a little on occasion, the higher BF bro had nothing. So I gave at least another week and then started going with a super low dose of Aro every couple days, it did help a little but I was actually hoping that as the MastE took hold it would fight off the estro that much better.
One other detail of note: All of us are using different current and former sources. Many of us know the one I was personally using the most and many guys vouched for the quality of his Mast. Short of sending in mass specs to angus tho we won't know with certainty. I can say I definitely felt far superior overall than just test so I tend to believe it was good. Another noticeable difference, I went to get a massage at about week 5, my muscles were so damn hard she could not break them down and instead of a painful yet relaxing experience this massage was straight torture.
I am not really panicking about the "hard spot" yet but I did get some letro coming from a great real pharma source. I really do not want to use that stuff tho unless it is truly necessary. I have not tried arimidex yet brother, but maybe I should?
Mast doesnt not seem to any effect on my estro, surprisingly. yes I would get your hands on adex, I dont remember exactly but its something like adex removes 50% estro at 1mg/d, aromasin 70% at 12.5mg/d and letro 95% at (I dont remember dose). Anywho point being light estro is best controlled with light AI, for me at least. I dont want to chase my estro up and down.
if you go with letro I think gearhead runs it as an AI and he might know a moderate dose for control without tanking estro.
RustyhookerEveryone being so different its good you had ai on hand as/if needed. Rookies would be posting sore nips. I'm currently no ai and low test but dry/low estro right now. Working on that with other supps..
Right on. I am truly amazed how well the MastE and Proviron are working on the other two guys. I am apparently unlucky.
That's awesome plus 1 for the experiment!
Just curious, don't take this as Doubt as you are a very experienced member and know your shit, did any of the 3 of you take blood test? Or are you guys just very in time with your body? Both? Just curious what their numbers were if blood tests were takin
Normally I do bloods pretty frequently but this time I did not. The other two rarely do anyway, so no, they didn't either. But yes, you really do get a pretty good feel once you know what it feels like to have high estro or even low estro. In my case it was very obvious to me that I needed to get on an AI and the use of it has definitely improved the situation. Notice I also started with about 4-5mg of aromasin EOD, then ED, kept it at that dose for a couple weeks and then bumped it again. It has been a slow process getting it all dialed in. Whereas the other two guys are just floating around enjoying the cycle with absolutely no sides.. Go figure..
Nice I'm about to start this exact same cycle. Can't wait last time I used test and mast no provi and I only needed aro once or twice a week can't wait to add provi. Hopefully I won't need anything myself