posted Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:27
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So I´m a bit confused right now, my 1st blast as been so far primarily a learning experience, been having sides for weeks now, some worse then others but still...
As a newb I want to learn as much as possible so my next blast is as close to side free as I can make it.
Help a brother out if you can, these are my current sides :
-Acne, a lot on my neck and chest, also present on my back and even upper arms, not much at all on shoulders.
-Redness from my upper chest to my neck
-Fatigue
-Loss of Libido
-Weird smell when working out
What am I suffering from ?
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"Or you could be having a sort of allergic reaction to the carrier oils"
Now this just rang a bell, I have developed a rash on my arms, the anti-histamine is working but it does not go away, so it might be the carrier oil indeed, pined Monday and the rash got worse.
I was being purposely evasive on my 1st post as I really wanted an answer based on my symptoms alone, but here is the rest of the story, got my E2 results back this week at a value of 39.9 ng/dl which is normal and that was achieved on a single dose of 6.25mg of Aromasin and 10mg Nolva daily, I decided I wanted a few points under that because I thought it was still high hence the twice a day but now I´m not sure as it might just be an allergic reaction after all.
I am also taking Prami at night for high prolactin, will test it once I get to 0.50mg and stay there for 4-5 days.
I apologise for being evasive in the 1st place, this leaves another question now, should I revert to 1 a day dosing of the AI and SERM or carry on with twice a day ?
The Nolva is due to a small lump on my right nipple which as staid the same since introducing it.
Blood Pressure is on the low-normal level.
56toobro you need to list what you're pinning and how much. Are you taking any serms or AIs and if so how much. Help us out here bro
Sorry mate.
Ok week 11 at 500mg week of Test E, twice a week pins.
Dosing Aromasin in the morning 6.25mg with 10mg Nolva, then at night another 6.25mg Aromasin.
56tooLOL it want me bro. I cant vote either way, sources dont vote
Uauhh a downvote for this. Damn !
I don't think it was on purpose.It happens to people when they scroll with a phone or tablet.They hit the button and don't even know it.
I have read that before, no worries
Drop the nolva brother and lower your aromasin dose for now. My guess is that your estro is low. The redness could be a number of things and nonsense for anyone to speculate without knowing more.
I'd really like to know how long you've been on this cycle and how long you've been taking your AI and nolva. Although I don't feel that your AI dose is too high, your estro side effects seem to match low estro. Bc you added nolva to the mix, you began blocking estro's activity at the receptors of some tissues. To the body, this is translated as low estro.
I'm leaning towards a lesser aromasin dose for now and never add nolva to a cycle for preventative measures. But before we decide for sure, tell us how long your been on cycle, how long you've been taking AI and nolva, and at what point these sides surfaced.
Bloodwork is always key for you newer guys so you can learn your body. Another thing to consider...
Ok mate, I´ll do that, I´ll dose the Aromasin 6.25mg eod and drop the Nolva how´s that sound ?
As for my blast this is how it goes :
11 weeks @ 500mg a week of Test E, injecting on Monday and Thursday
Week 4 - Introduced Adex @ 0.20ml EOD due to itchy nipples, this continued for 2 weeks at which time I stopped the Adex due to no sides, 5 days later started feeling a lump on my right nipple, started Aromasin 8 days after stopping the Adex. So I have a little lump since then.
Week 6 - Blood work done, E2 @ 200, TT @ 2147 ( I started @ 236 ) Introduced Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED (06/09/2013) as a stand alone for 6 days, read Nolva could help with the lump so Introduced it then @ 20mg ED (12/09/2013), I lowered the Aromasin dose to 6.25 at the same time.
Carried on with the Aromasin 6.25mg and Nolva 20mg ED until the 20/09/2013 ( 9 days at that dose )
21/09/2013 lowered the Nolva to 10mg ED and have been dosing it along with Aromasin 6.25 till yesterday.
E2 levels came back @ 39.9 ng/L after 9 days of Aromasin 6.25 ED and Nolva 10mg ED.
So, if it is Low Estro then I´ll dose the Aromasin @ 6.25 mg EOD and drop the Nolva.
I really don´t mind switching things up, as I said I´m learning still.
I appreciate every comment made and opinion given.
Best regards !
Ok. That confirms it IMO. I would drop the nolva and lower aromasin to 6.25 ED, not eod. If that doesn't correct the sides after a week or so, cut out the aromasin until the kibido comes back and fatigue clears. Then go back to 6.25 ED. Aromasin had a half life of 9h in males so dose it ED.
Future reference... It would have been nice to know you ran bloodwork and had the results before gettin advice. You'll see that everyone else is leaning towards high estro? The symptom of fatigue is what had me thinking it was low rather than high. Your bloodwork and info about dosing confirms
I know mate and I apologise for not revealing the whole story , my bad.
I will dose Aromasin @ 6.25mg ED and drop the Nolva.
I´ll report back in a week or so, thank you very much !
Best regards !
You're welcome
This should restore your libido and energy levels. It may clear up the acne, or it may not. Just depends on the cause. Everyone responds to hormone levels differently. If the cause is estro related, this could be the solution. If its something else then you have more than one issue here.
I'd recommend getting a blood pressure monitor for your home. They're $40-60 USD and well worth the cost when you're trying to balance things while running gear. Good luck
That is a lot of aromasin so your estrogen should be in check unless it is under dosed or bunk. You are not running and anti prolactin so that could explain the loss of libido because you are running a 19 nor steroid. The redness...what is your BP currently chest redness and face is a sign of high BP. Also if your BP is high that can contribute to ED and loss of libido. Or you could be having a sort of allergic reaction to the carrier oils. Also running nolvadex with a 19 nor steroid is not advised.
12.5mg a day, split, is not really a lot lf aromasin bro... And why would you suggest an "anti prolactin" when he's running test and no 19-nor?
I agree with most of your post, except where did he say he was running a 19 nor steroid. It says he's just running Test-e @ 500mg per week. Did he edit his comment?
Good catch brother I totally read that wrong lol! I would check my BP and go and blood test my estrogen levels.
It sounds like high estrogen,but with the aroma and nolva that doen't seem possible.Do you have any joint aches?