Need some of the pro's opinions here.
23 yrs Old
6' 2"Ht
200 lbs
First cycle omnadren 250 with no post cycle. Was 19 yrs old. Didnt know shit. Guy told me that was all I needed.
Second cycle Test E 250-2 x's wk. Tren ace eod at 75mg. Clomid and nolva post. 20 yrs old and still didnt know jack shit. Lost all gains. Thought I could trust the guys that "knew everything" and "had been doin it for years" only to realize that they themselves had no fucking clue what they were doin.
Since then I have jus lifted naturally. taken jus regular supplements EX, Creatine, protein, N.O., Vitamins and eat a very clean.
Looking to get back on something and wanting to run it right this time. I thought about jus running a test e and var cycle with a jump of test prop at the beginning and tappering.
Heres what I was thinking. Need ur guys' opionins! Wanting to learn and do it the right way!
Wanting to put on a lean mass!
1-14 Test E 500 mg/wk
1-2 and 14-15 Test prop 100 mg EOD
1-8 Anavar at 50mg ed
4-14 Hcg 500 ius/wk
1-14 Anastrozole .5 Eod
Pct
Clomid 50/50/20/20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
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Rustyhooker1-4 prop 100eod--
1-12 test e 500/split
6-14 var50-75ef--half morn/half night
13-14 prop 100eod
Aro starts end week 2. 6.75ed...and if you get nip sensitive bump up to 12.5ed. Bloodtest at week 6 will let you know where estro is to dial in the aro. Usually bout week 5 is bump to 12.5ed.
Pct starts 2 days after pins of prop/and var. Aro runs from cycle right into pct
Aro 12.5 12.5 6.76 6.75 blicks estro in body
Clomid 100...100..50..50....wakes up nuts
Nolva 20...20..10..10 blocks nips
I would drop the var unless your body fat is below 10% and I may have missed it but I didn't see it listed above.
RustyhookerGood point! Below he said bout 12%.... So yes...cutter it off or save the var for next time cutting.
Rusty u are the man! If I could upvote this Id give ya a couple! Thanks for taking the time to help me out! U guys need to give him some more votes!
RustyhookerNope. No need for votes. Just grow huge brother!
Looks on point! I prefer the high end of var dose and bloods for sure specially until you figure out how your body reacts
RustyhookerThanks boss!
I would move the var to the end of your cycle. Run HCG all the way up to pct. you don't have to have an oral kickstart if you're using test p as a kick start. Also, the test p kick start should run for 4 weeks, as that's how long it takes test e to kick in. Start the test p taper 3-4 days after last test e pin. Then go with 100 mg EOD. For pct, I'd half your Nolva across the board go with 20/20/10/10. Start clomid at 100 mg for the first 3 days then go to 50/50/25/25. This is just how I would run it.
Ok the var is goin to the end of the cycle and u think I should run HCG from day one? Do u think I need to frontload the test e if Im using prop? How long should I taper the prop for? 100 mg eod of prop at the beginning of cycle and taper? What are ur thoughts on adex?
Typically I will start HCG about week 4, I would begin earlier if your boys start shrinking sooner. Remember the goal of pct is to get everything back to homeostasis. When you use HCG you will keep your balls producing small amounts of test, and therefore pct will be easier. Front loading test e isn't necessary if you are using test p as a kickstart. The taper should go for about 2 weeks, the test e should clear your system sooner than 2 weeks, but there are so many variables with half life and how long it takes the esters to cleave, that IMO it's best to just run the taper for 2 weeks. 100mg EOD is fine for kick and taper. As for the adex, I have personally never used it, and would only use it if it was the only AI I could get. I don't like the idea of estrogen rebound, so I go with Aromasin. IMO it's better if you're sensitive to estro sides.
Thanks alot bro! I really do apreciate you guys taking the time to help me out. And I know this sounds dumb but what do u mean by IMO?
IMO= in my opinion
My bf is around 12 and test e takes about 6 weeks to kick in. Y use far as a kicker bc it doesnt convert to estrogen and its a good starter. Idk about the hcg so Im asking what u guys think. Not 100 percent sure on the pct doses jus goin by rule of thumb and from what Ive read on here. Would love to know what both of u guys think. I love to learn about this stuff and I want you guys to tell me where Im messing up!
RustyhookerLike it says above...for your goal prop at 100eod first 4 Weeks is better as kicker. Run var--the finisher 8-14pct with the prop taper. 50ed if its good var works sweet.
Pct is 2 days after last pin/var doses
I just ran the aro pct and loved it
Aro 12.5 12.5 6.75 6.75
Nolva 20...20...10..10
Clomid 100...100...50...50
With prop kicker start adex end second week. .25e3d...if sensitive nips then .25eod. Blood test week 6 can dial in your ai/estro levels
Thanks for that one, this gh run is making me so tired... I passed out last night. Looks like you got him to where he needs to be
RustyhookerAs hard as youre lifting warrants good rest as well! Gonna be a BIG summer Bro!
What are ur thoughts on the HCG as well?
RustyhookerAro...yes aromasin. Shortened it in smarty phone. lol HCG is good to keep on hand incase you do have shrinkage. Typically a light cycle isnt a worry but since everyone reacts differently its always good to have it incase you do need it. The last half of cycle is fine if you do need it at 500iu split.
The joy of planning your kicker and finisher is that you can dial in your finishing goals. If you were dirty bulking something like dbol adds that water mass and then you can taper with prop as an example. When running a lean clean bulker I prefer to use prop kicker so I can modify my finish as needed. In this case youre using var. When youre more experienced then surely kick with an oral if your finishing with not 17aa injectables. Masteron prop is a nice finisher as an injectable when youre future calls for it. I dont like running 2-17aa roids, so prop keeps the end wide open for adjustments.
U guys are the shit! Thanks a mill broski! Glad there's guys like you willing to help!
Thanks alot Rusty! And by aro u aromasin?
RustyhookerWhats your bf like?
What week does test e really start to hit? Why var as a kicker? Why not hcg till closer to pct? You sure about the pct dosages?
Buildbigger86AWW, Shit level is about to drop some knowledge on this one i can feel it fella's..
Rustyhooker^^^^llevelup has your back!