posted Wed, 01/30/2013 - 14:21
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Critique my current cycle- tbol/test/eq
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Ok guys I'm only 2 weeks in at the moment but my current plans are this
Weeks. 1-6. 80mg tbol
1-16. 800mgs EQ
1-3. 450mg test prop eod
1-15. 450mg test e
16-19. 400mg prop
4-16. 500 iu's hcg
1-19. .25 eod adex
Then the 100/100/50/50 clomid
And the 40/40/20/20 nolvadex..... I'm looking to add about 10lbs of lean muscle gain while shedding some fat and at the end not expecting a huge difference in my actual body weight, just my appearance. My diet and cardio and training are intact. My total caloric intake is a small deficit since I am trying to cut fat.. Protein 175-200 day ,carbs 80 day fats 30-50 any advice and suggestions will be appreciated
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AnonLol. Do I study? Well, I wasn't trying to get into a dispute, but are you saying that because its an oil-based compound it's no longer 17aa?
Personally, I'm not a fan of dbol. But, that's just a matter of personal preference. I do enjoy the learning experience here, but everything I've found about it still says its a 17aa. Maybe I'm missing something.
scootertrampOnly poking at ya sir! I simply saw the push for using two 17aa's as a pass when in reality it's a hard toll for the novice user. This op doesn't even have a good diet. Just jesting you....I'm always here to help.
AnonI realize that now. The only difference between it and the oral version is that, by skipping the first pass, the dosage is not decreased before its released into the system. But the chemical structure (17aa) still causes it to remain highly toxic to the liver.
Had you not brought up it was still a 17aa compound, I'd have never learned this fact.
scootertrampEvery single drop of blood passes thru the liver. By missing the FIRST pass it's toxicity is lower However, it still goes thru at second pass. It is still 17aa. It still is toxic. It's simply more effected if injected. Anyone that'd ever run Winny aqueous will tell ya its a bitch! Second thing is it's still rinning two 17aa steroids in one cycle. Its still toxic.
AnonBased on my understanding: first pass effect is achieved when a drug enters the hepatic portal system then on to the liver. By injecting a drug, you're bypassing the GI tract and the hepatic portal vein all together. Therefore, there should be no first pass effect.
Am I missing something?
scootertrampI agree with superDbag. You run two alkyd substances and you're just taking the liver for lil added return. The guys cycle could be imprived greatly at a simple 600/600 with 150eod til week 8 then go 400/600. Run some var last 6 til pct IF he's low bodyfat along with 150/150/100 taper.
I've been skeptical of winny because of the hairloss, most everything I've taken I haven't had a problem but Tren does a number on my hair and to my understanding winny is equal too or worse than Tren but I could be wrong??
Anonnot equal..... but you shouldnt be running tren anyway.... stay away from tren for years bro
Yes Tren is off the regimen, results were great but I don't like the sides.
Anonagreed.
as for the hairloss with winny, it's due to it being a dht derivative. too much dht can cause hairloss. a good dht inhibitor can help with that. finastride is one.