posted Wed, 01/30/2013 - 14:21
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Critique my current cycle- tbol/test/eq
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Ok guys I'm only 2 weeks in at the moment but my current plans are this
Weeks. 1-6. 80mg tbol
1-16. 800mgs EQ
1-3. 450mg test prop eod
1-15. 450mg test e
16-19. 400mg prop
4-16. 500 iu's hcg
1-19. .25 eod adex
Then the 100/100/50/50 clomid
And the 40/40/20/20 nolvadex..... I'm looking to add about 10lbs of lean muscle gain while shedding some fat and at the end not expecting a huge difference in my actual body weight, just my appearance. My diet and cardio and training are intact. My total caloric intake is a small deficit since I am trying to cut fat.. Protein 175-200 day ,carbs 80 day fats 30-50 any advice and suggestions will be appreciated
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225mg/prop a day? youll crash hard when you drop down to 450 a week! along with many other things wrong with this cycle as stated below.
Everything above posted are weekly doses, except t-Bol and it is daily, the adex will be replaced with aromasin.
scootertrampHope the poster person is reading all this. Early into cycle.
your diet needs work...you aren't going to make many gains with 200g protein, 80g of CARBS!?!?!?! WTF?!?!?...and 30-50g fat???....listen man, that is pretty much unfeasible. I don't know what kind of protein you'll be getting in all day with only 50g for a total? LOL
OK....especially if you are 228lbs. with some abs semi-showing.
Anonim weighing 249..... prolly 252 right before i shit
and i take in over 400g protein.... well 350 is my bare minimum.... thats on a light day
OK
fantastic
scootertrampMust be a helluva big shit.....hahaha
X2+1 He doesn't need a cycle he needs a nutritionist.
yeah...I meant I don't know what kind of protein throughout the day that would give him only 50g of fat TOTAL at days end. Every lil' bit that adds up...even in a serving of quinoa for example...those couple of grams here and there are quite impressive if you really sat down and figured out ALL your fat grams and calories in a given daily diet, with eating 7-8 meals. There is nothing wrong with fat...and even carbs, just eat the right ones at the right times and your golden.
I don't count my fat grams EVER...I just eat good, clean and healthy food. Carbs and protein till 2pm and then protein/fats/MORE veggies till beddy-bye, lol.
Why prop and tbol? Little over kill no?
First I looked up your stats, we need to know your bf%. At your weight and height you are either one big mother f r or you have a serious amount of bf. You have tried all those compounds and your only 24? You are in for a world of hurt when you are older if you don't put the breaks on really quick. You need to stop worrying about AAS and start thinking about your health. As for your diet your protein is to low carbs are to low and fat is to high.
hmmm, i was unaware 30g of fat a day was considered too high. that's crazy.
His post reads 30-50g of fat a day and yes that is to high. At that amount he is consuming anywhere from 50% 85% of fat for a day. He should be around 25%. You both need to learn a thing or two about dieting.
Well I don't know my bodyfat% but as I posted to one of the other guys- the best reference I can give you is I can easily make out my upper 4 abs an obliques, an my caloric intake may not be right but it just seems like I really pack on the weight quick when I go above 200 grams of protein, and even more so when upping the carbs, and yes I started training about 9 years ago so I was introduced to aas to soon, but I was uneducated and can't change the past.
You can't change the past but you can make your future. Slow down with the juice and concentrate more on diet. Get your bf% checked this is huge when we give advice. A bf% of just 5 points makes all the difference in the advice we give.
scootertrampWhat are your prior cycles like? This cycle is huge and your diet does not come close to anything needed for success. Age? Height? Weight? Bodyfat? Priors?
If you click on my profile name there's a little about my stats, and the body fat I am unsure but you can make out my four upper abs an obiques.
scootertrampDefinitely have a diet expert on here advise you. Even on a lean bulker your proteins and overall calories won't hold up to this type of cycle. Big clean calories.
Anoni'm not understanding those prop doses... and you may want to consider getting some aromasin to bridge that adex with leading into pct.
I just have different mg concentrated vials and the aromasin was actually one thing I was wondering about! How would you recommend the aromasin being used? Length/time/ and dosage.. Would you replace the adex with it?
Anonpersonally, i'd replace the adex with it. this may shed some light as to why i feel that way:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
but the prop you have listed is either 450 EOD or 400 EOD. it should be more like 100-150 EOD for a kicker and 100 EOD for a taper.
Ohhh my bad, those are my weekly doses and I was just stating that I would be pinning the prop eod, but yes it's 150 eod kicker and 100 eod taper!
Anongotcha
man, i'd consider adding some var in there starting week 14 and running it to the end.
Yea I may consider that, I've ran var twice before as kickers and really liked it!! I've never ran oral at the end of a cycle. This is my first go with tbol so I'm undecided yet on it at this point.
Anoni take that back. i somehow missed the tbol. let's stick to one oral. cool? you could add an injectable winny the final 6 weeks
no, no, no...even winny is 17aa methyl(someone can correct me if I am wrong). Basically same as oral...winny depot that is, unless you can find one that is oil/PEG based. But I still probably wouldn't run it after/during running a cycle with another oral. Cycles with multiple orals are for pros only.
scootertrampYes! Very correct
AnonI stand corrected then. Is it still metabolized by the liver even tho it skips the hepatic portal?
survives first pass...just like all the other 17's
AnonI'm not too familiar with this
lol...yeah, but you are using terms like 'hepatic portal' and shit...whatever that means? ;-P
I have an idea...but honestly I am just a simpleton educated mofo when it comes to roids...you're getting too technical for me broski...lol
ok, orally active compounds means that they have been altered to endure the first pass through your liver without being destroyed, but since that it is a 17aa compound...that also makes it liver toxic. Eventually it is metabolized by your liver, as pretty much everything is..and due to the alkylation, it puts more stress on your liver than other compounds would. something like that...haha.
AnonCome on broseph... Lol
Here's some reference links.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatic_portal_vein
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_pass_effect
And a pretty cool article on orals and their effects on the liver
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/44383-17aa-your-liver.html
OK...see, oral drugs in order for them to be more effective, they must survive the first pass thru the liver. You inject a drug...IM, IV, etc....it SKIPS the hepatic portal, ok? SO....there you have it, it's actually plain as daylight....NOW, when a steroid is to be made and taken orally...then it is alkylated on the 17-alpha position of the basic steroid structure...BUT THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT SO LIVER TOXIC...see now any more exaplanation by me and I will just confuse myself, as some of this gets pretty intense for me to explain, gets all organic chem technical jargon-like.
Anonyall two are jus crackin me the fuck up........ what the hell you two nuts doin in here lol geeez leeweezz
what?! something wrong?
AnonGeeking, apparently. Lol
Anonshit i guess so.... we went through this lesson back in like 1993 didnt we? lmao
AnonSeems we're both right: injecting skips first pass, but being 17aa it is still toxic to the liver.
YES!! That's all it is...solved!!
Anoni prolly could have summed up my long ass tangent with those simple words, huh? lol
lol...that goes for both of us!!
AnonIt's all good tho. I actually learned something from that exchange. Funny, I had a conversation with a guy today that wanted to do the samething we were talking about, as I caught myself talking him out of it. Thinking how many people feel this is a feasible option has me writing up some stuff to summarize what we came up with here. Then I'm gonna post in either the intermediate or beginner groups.
learning...that's what we do, or else we will not progress.
yeah...winny is one injectable that you gotta watch out for, as it isn't your standard injectable.
scootertrampWinny and injectable dbol..
okay...well, there are NOW inj. orals, like dbol/drol/var...where there wasn't before. It just seems that the more novice crowd gets confused about winny...thinking that the inj. version was NOT a 17aa...and that's all I was getting at.
scootertrampYou're very correct sir! Now tgat these things are coming to market as injectable, the resellers are proporting them as "safe" alternatives. Yet, it's the same 50+ year old formulations with the same reactions. The newbs will fall for their resellers advice. Glad there's guys like you keeping them safe!
AnonLike winny, injectable dbol is nothing more than an aqueous suspension. Still a 17aa. Just not pressed in a tab with fillers. Only true advantage/difference is that the strength/dose that is introduced is not weakened by first-pass from the GI tract to the liver prior to hitting the blood stream. Still highly toxic
scootertrampDo you study? My injectable dbol is in oil. Lol! Aqueous suspensions have proven to be hazardous in UGL functions. Meaning that it's easier to get infected from UGL Winny/dbol in aqueous preparation. I'd never use either in aq from UGL. If you research, there's many forums stating the same and advising oil. If we look at homebrewing or ugl oil based preparations its easy to see why oil is not only safer but less pip. Sorry sir but I've been around the block more than once. But, my stats already show that
Anonmy stats are a lie. i'm really 19, 5'2", 246 lb, and 36%. but i'm doing alright!
scootertrampHahaha! Dammit man...i spat Coffee everywhere! Haaaa