posted Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:42
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I just curious to see how you folks feel about the stricter gun control laws big brother is trying to pass. I live in ca where they are trying to ban any rifle with a detachable clip and consider it illegal to posses any such rifle on July 2013. If this laws passes I'm moving to texas
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love these comments, most are very well thought, thoughts based on logic and understanding rather than blind anger/fear. (dead serious, I'm proud of you guys.) way to be.
AnonGrave digging! Not too bad though, only 3 months.
It looks like Gun Control didn't work for Britain. This article was in 2009 but its still relevant. The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Euro...
Another article I was looking at was drunk driving. When a child or pedestrian is ran over by a drunk driver no one ever talks about banning alcohol. From what I gather your chances of dying from an alcohol related fatality greatly outnumbers the chances of dying by a firearm. I just haven't compiled the percentage.
LOL you need to get your info from somewhere other than the Daily Mail! They make things look far worse than they really are, I remember reading an article that said sausages give you cancer!
To put things into perspective here's a chart that shows murder rates per capita per year. http://chartsbin.com/view/1454 http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/oct/10/world-murder-rate-unodc
AnonWould you agree that hand guns kill more people than assault rifles in the USA?
no they change the speed limits and make other laws to make themselves look good like they are taking a stand on something not even considering that adding a new law doesn't effect the drunk driver at all who doesn't give a rats ass that they are breaking the law ..
That law will not pass. They are being challenged in several cases as a state for violating the 2nd amendment! Fucking tree huggers out there need to pack up their shit and go live with PETA out in the fucking woods of North Dakota!
AnonThe biggest boom to the gun /ammo business has been all the fucking nonsense being spewed about how Obamas gonna take your guns. The only reason ammo was hard to get a few years ago was all the fucking idiots who believe the rhetoric and felt they needed to stock up.
I dont give a shit if a person owns guns or not, just dont be stupid enough to be manipulated by the NRA (which is only a lobbying group) and idiots like Ted Nugent.
The facts are that gun laws have not tightened one inch due to anything Obama has done, in fact they have loosened by allowing firearms on national parks.
I tried not to take offense to this post until you insulted Uncle Ted.
That's where I draw the line. I just defriended your ass. Now take your ass back to San Francisco and continue to fight the evils of Happy meal toys.
All my love, No Homo, not that there is anything wrong with that.
Ed.... Biological nephew of Ted Nugent.
tread-mThere are better ways to make your point my brother. I disagree with you but I don't think you're an idiot and I will say this; people that agree with you are not those you are trying to reach, you are trying to reach people that disagree with you. Having said so, how effective will your discussion be when it begins with insulting the other side? Just seems like a poor strategy to me. I respect your opinions though and know you're likely good people even if we disagree on the points.
We have a one party power system btw, neither of them are batting for you my friend, trust me on that.
AnonYour 100 % right and I apologize if the post was insulting, your right I was a little hot headed when I made it and thats no way to have a discussion.
It has just become a sore spot for me for several reasons.
Just so you know about two years ago I had to go to three different stores to buy .223 rounds. Thats not why Im sore though.
And yes agreed this country is not a democracy it is an oligarchy. As far as changing anyones mind ? Well thats just not going to happen, people for the most part have their minds made up and thats fine. Its also fine to be pro Romney, or anti Obama, just so long as the person didnt get there by buying in to nonsense theories that have zero facts to back them up. Gun control is a serious discussion and should indeed be had with facts, not hype .
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tread-mWell hell I can't even argue about any of that, should have left you as you were! Loool
Laws to restrict/ban firearms are complete bullshit... All they do is scew the percentage of firearms in a given society that are in the possession of criminals. We all better hope Obama doesn't get another 4 years or he's gonna try and have a hey day with firearms and more specifically ammunition... When seconds count cops are minutes away, God created all men, Samuel Colt made them equal :-)
kinda funny i just got a desert eagle, love the recoil on that bitch!
wish i can get fully auto, my state is super regulated!
The only gun control we need it to keep guns out of criminals hands and thats it.
Do you know how much paper work you have to go through to have military arms? I have a headache just talking about it. It really is bull shit, we are becoming a damn prison. there are several countries where they came to peoples door taking their guns. I have a feeling that we are on that to do list.
The nazi's did that. That is one reason I will never have a gun registered, and will never have a conceal carry license. The less the gov know about me the better. If I have to conceal a gun I'm going to conceal, it I don't need a peice of paper. If there is a need to carry its going to happen and who would know? I have never in my life been searched for guns of anything.
it took the guy next door to me one and a half years to get a atf stamp,not to mention like you said a stack of bs paperwork.its all about money.and he is ex special forces,i feel these guys should have no problem getting these weapons.but they do.
Its bullshit, they are building a prison. All I know is everyone better lock and load because the last thing you want is to be empty handed when they unleash the zombie virus. Even if you only have one firearm, get a shit load of mags and rounds.
gun control is pretty great. how the hell are you gonna hit your target without controlling your gun?
i am lucky enough to live in a state where i can get whatever gun my lil heart desires without a special permit it takes no time in and out for the most part,yes they do a b/g check but it all took less then a 1/2 hr.and as far as romney the guy fucked up massachusetts pretty fuckin good,now people wanna let him fuck up the whole country,hes a fuckin fake,he may be rich but hes a idiot,him and his fake ass bullshit.
Question is what is everyone going to do when they start knocking on doors.......
Start shooting until they don't knock any more.
Agreed
I'm with you ed btw!
What if they knock with a tomahawk missile???lol
tread-mThen you lay on my porch with a tomohawk missile and a bullet in your head. Now I have a tomohawk missile, thems the rule. Welcome to Texas bitchezzz!
I'm not afraid of a Tommy....I'll get all Red Dawn on their ass! WOLVERINES!
Its all bad! I dont give a flyin fu*k what gun law they pass, I will still have my mine and if they want em they can come get em from my cold dead hands. There was something called the right to bear arms, but we forgot about that.
AnonOne of the reasons why America is the best country is because we are one of the sole countries that allow their citizens to carry guns. I need to be able to defend my family from all the thieving animals and drug addicts in the world. I own many guns and ALOT of ammo,Im in the military and they even train me on how to use them. Ever shoot a MK 19? Its a machine gun that shoots grenades, nothing cooler than a mcahine gun that shoots grenades. But as for the question at hand, there are too many lobbistys at the Capital to allow for the banning of guns. If you want to help these lobbyists even more then get a membership with the NRA (National Rifle Assoc.) Much of the money from them is paid to these lobbyists.
The sign of times to come...the more control THEY have, the more comfortable THEY feel about keeping a revolution at bay.
Well I should have been at the gym 20 minutes but started reading this thread. Now I'm pissed (which will make for a better workout). I'm ready to head to the gun shop and spend my bank account on every gun I remotely want and stock pile some ammo before we go commie and loose all our right.
I've said it before It's best to have unregistered guns because of what happened in Germany. Pin pusher hit the nail on the head.
Hopefully we can vote Obama out, I had no idea that he wanted to conform with the UN on guns.
StevebYeah but Romney will do the same.
Yeah Romney sign his name to a list to support the gun ban too. We really don't have much to pick from do we. Most presidential candidates are supported and controled by International bankers and more than often are just puppets of wallstreet, (google the group called "bilderbergs"). Whats a ashame is that most people don't even realize whats going on in there own country until its to late, thanks to the good old faithful media. But the good news is that a lot of people are waking up and its up too us to inform others. http://www.infowars.com/ exposes a lot of truth that other mainstream newcasts wont.
Come to NZ - Cops don't even carry guns, the way it should be
This song says it all. You all know that Hank Williams Jr got banned from the superbowl for speaking out against obama. His new album he exspecialy deciated it to Mr. Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY-Z1hjquqo
zewi"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Militia--refers to a military force composed of ordinary citizens---which mean WE THE PEOPLE.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them". – George Mason
"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." James Madison
Anon"A Well regulated militia " Ok so where is the well regulated part ??
Wouldnt well regulated mean properly licenced and or registered ?
Supernova283You know they say Japan actually thought about attacking the west coast during WW2, but decided not to because of all the gun owners over there.
You can bet if China ever invaded I'd be up hiding in a tree with a rifle.
It's a great deterrent for invasion.
Anon"they say " "They say" Yeah "They" say a lot you know. You do know that story is bullshit right ? If you dont believe me just fact check it a little, the only place you'll find that assertion is in chain emails.
You and me both. Then up close and personal with a bunch of clips and my eotech
Supernova283I also prefer Eotech over Aimpoint.
Acogs are the way to go If you got the cash. Do you have a hologram or a red dot eotech?
halogram
Supernova283No acogs are not the way to go. I'm not a fan of Trijicon at all. Plus why would I use an acog when I could use a flip to side magnifier? I use a holographic with a flip to side magnifier on my m4 SBR.
tread-mVery nice!
CleyonBingo. No matter what anyone in another country thinks about it, in America we will never give up out firearms.
A lot of you make very good points on the issue. Here's my $0.02. I served in the Corps from 03-07, infantry & security forces. Combat vet. Just for a little background, wish i could be more open, but that should be enough for now. Start off with the little subject Supernova keep crankin' on. Taxes were something that were suppose to be temporarily enforced to support things like a war effort when there were extra expenses that the government needed assist paying for then they were suppose to disappear. Well like many other laws we say o.k. to thinking its a good temporary fix, they turn permanent. The power of the country lies in the People. Congress is designed to be the strongest branch of the government representing the people. I think that over many many years we've allowed these politicians to get to comfortable and pass too many things most of which we have no clue of, and it isnt going to be until we the people force them to come clean on all the over spending and everything else, or, which I most definately doubt a group of politicians get into office that plan to overhaul DC! Wont hold my breath. As far as guns and controling civilians with guns. Fucking right we better own what we do. You send some Marines in telling them there is some domestic uprising they gonna most likely just do the same as they would in any other country, believe these people are wrong for whatever reason and do there 'job.' An assault rifle aint gonna be shit to what they coming with, so to take that away wouldnt do anything but not only give the government the upper hand, but outlaws will always have a means to get people what they want. Drugs, Hookers, Gambling, and Guns if you make them illegal. If some schmuck wants a hundred round magazine, let him, and smack his stupid ass cause he dont know how terrible they are with causing jams, and the bonehead probably dont have half a clue to remedy that problem to swiftly. I'll take 10 mags loaded any day, over some belt fed weapons too. They just good for base of fire, and they bigger boys for fucking up some serious heavy machinary. As far as what these numb nuts goin for massacres, I say arm the people. But not so fast. You aint walking in ordering a slice of pizza and filling your belly. You getting a background check, you getting a psych evaluation, oh yea, you going through some training you have to pass as well. I think I'd better serve the community by going through all this, passing of course, and know I would, and carrying. There are plenty scenarios not making national headlines where a legally armed civilian 'saves the day.' Know this, you get approved and carry, you take on the responsibility of not only carrying that weapon, but handling and using as well. Guess what you fuck up, you fucked up and paying for it. Happens in the military, happens to cops, damn sure it happens to civilians who misuse. But I'll be damn if i can't be able to responsibly own guns because of a few assholes. I live in a strict gun law state, it drives me nuts I am waiting 6+ months to get a pistol 'hunting/target' license!! Damn right I'm gonna have all I can for now! Sorry shit so long! Fingers warmed up and was able to keep up with my thoughts I guess! God Bless bros!!!
First of all, our founding fathers didn't wright up the 2 amendment just so we could skin a buck and run a trotline, the 2nd amendment or the rights to bare arms wasn't just to protect you from burglars. The 2nd amendment was meant to PROTECT THE PEOPLE FROM THE GOVERNMENT, by placing the power of the republic into the hands of the people so no governing body could take over the people. It was a security deposit. Read your history that rights to bare arms was to protect them from Europe. Obama was set to sign the UN gun treaty on july 27 that would place our "rights to bare arms" inaccordance with the UN article 15 (read that article, is not just semi autos but a total ban of all guns). Thats a loop hole that they seek to annul the 2 amendment. Congress agreed to push the debate to some point after the election. Study your history, Every nation that banned guns from its citzens ended in communism. Remember Mexico, Red china, nazi germany made citzens register there guns then a few months later ss soilders showed up on there doorsteps and ceased ALL their gun, seprated their familys and put them into constration camps. Hurricane katrina hit new orleans marshall law was declared. Troops showed up and confiscate the citzens guns and because of that they could not protect themselves from looters. When asked why the confiscation the troops replied it was just a TRAINING EXERCISE. As one man said those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Ben Franklin said, "Those who sacrfice freedom for security will have neither. And as far as banning just the "really dangerous guns, like semi autos" if the goverment has a right to own them than so should I. As one man said, the man that has the bigger gun wins! I hate what happened at the movie theater but I believe things would have been a little different if all those people had machine guns to fire back instead of having to be defenceless.
This link should make every American Blood boil.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/10/the-u-n-arms-trade-trea...
100% right!!! the right to bear arms was mean tto protect the people from a tyranical government. If the government ever started to persecute its citizens, the right to bear arms was meant to help the people protect themselves from that government and take that government out and start a new one. dont for a second doubt their could be another holocust and on american soil
"The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." - Senator Hubert H. Humprey
To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." - Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Member of the First U.S. Senate
If the government ever started to persecute its citizens,....
If????,........give your head a shake,.......it is happening right now to me !!
I won't say anymore.
Ah, is it because your black? (Happy Gilmore)