+ 11 Spoonfeeding the noobies
I've noticed the trend lately of just blasting out cycles and PCT's to members (sometimes without them even asking) and I have to ask myself is eroids still a place of learning?
We used to just guide members in the direction they needed to go and allow them the dignity of learning for themselves. Not only in what they are doing but why. Giving them the hunger to learn and to gage them on whether they had even an inkling of the tools of patience and perserverence that will serve them in the long run.
Are we becoming a cycle "chop shop" just doling out info as fast as our fingers can go so we can move onto the next one?
Are we becoming ego driven to show the board how much "we know" with our self centered eye on that next karma point? (Good point Vike)
Are we battling with the egos of others with little to no regard to whom we are doling out info too?
Now I know this doesnt pertain to everyone and alot of us stay behind the scenes but it is difficult NOT to see thit this IS what the culture of this board is evolving into.
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Looking forward to being a part of this community. Thanx for all the info and resources needed to get self educated yet have some tutors along the way to help you out when in doubt. Best wishes
BUMP.
Just to remind ourselves to keep it fresh for 2014 guys....... i will be bringing the best i can muster, we are BIGGER now than ever before as a pro-steroid community.... i can inform you the boss (BFG) is on fire for a spectacular year!..... lets bring it folks and keep eroids head and shoulders above the rest.
SIZE matters here.. and thats what we offer, the biggest AAS sharing community on the fkn planet, we have the muscle,we have the sources,we have the women!... jesus what more could a balls out musclehead want lol.
Lets have a great year folks........ peace out and get swoled up with maybe a laugh or three along the way.
Thanks guys........... VIKING :)))
Fuck yeah! Lol shit just got real!! Fuck is the weight at Vike ??!! Let me at it !!
zewiIN ALL HONEST WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT!!!!
SO I SPOON FEED SOMEONE I DON'T GIVE A DAM!!! ID RATHER SPOON FEED A DUMB-ASS SO AT LEAST I NO HE IS DOING A CORRECT CYCLE>> THAN FUCKING HIS WORLD... AND HOPE HE DOES RESEARCH AND LEARNING ALONG THE WAY..
I have knowledge and i--should share and yes sometimes it will be spoon feed. And that's ok by me.. I could give a fuck about Karma--or fucking what ever point system is in place.. I do this to help its my fucking spare time its my fucking experience, and i fill i should be able to share it in how i see fit. If i have to spoon feed an dumb ass so be it.. If i have to spoon feed someone with a cycle and research to back it up.. at least i now i gave him my best and i hope he learns from it..
Just my fucking 2 cents..
CTFU!! Ohh the memories! I especially like the aggression at the beginning and then turning off the caps to explain nicely. Zewi was a character!
And now he's a source! Lol
...and STILL getting banned on a regular basis LMFAO!!
Lol
BOOM! Perfect example of helping someone to help themselves
(minus the being a dick about it!) LOL!
Right there with ya on that Zewi...Tren kickin in a little? =)
And i can tell you its appreciated...
I may not have much knowledge but that which I do, I enjoy sharing it at the least..
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good post hollywood, some of the people here are quick to try and educate others about their cycles because they have read someone else's post and they think now they are smart enough with it to give out advice when they have no real experience under there belts. I have no problem telling people I have alot to learn here, and ive been here for a good while, so if it is something I feel I can help these guys with I will most certainly do so but best believe if its not something I feel comfortable answering then I will point them in the right direction as to who can answer it the best IMO
I have one cycle of sust under my belt and i have not run any over cycles yet i give advise on pct plans,cycles and how to run AIs yet i have never run an AI myself (stupid yes) and my cycle was unplanned and sloppy. This was when i was dum to the facts of aas i have been learning for over a year now and its been research research and more research i have helped well over 20 people and fixed there problems and helped folk on the ryt path like last week i stopt a guy from running deca,tren, and clen YES NO TEST !!! YES STUPID !!! All bcuz he got told it by some stupid fucking massive dealer who wanted to make ends meet.now if i had not give him facts he would of fukt his self up this guy is only 17 aswell this is not uncommon where i am from but i give him the science of it detail to detail everytime i seen him.he now has fukt the idea of taking juice off full stop.i think it can help to have many cycles under your belt but you do not need this to give your 2 cents.my gp has never fukt his ligament like me or taken test,deca,Eq,trt ect yet he gives out advise on these mattas and good advise at that he even gives advise to folk with hip replacements yet he has not had one all that he has learned is from a book or a teacher whos read a book by a guy who read a book of someone who did the things wrote in that book then he learns over time like trial and error the same az what i am doing on a more basic level.am not having a go bro but i here this all to often and have wanted to ryt diss dwn somewhere i think its best put here lol.
Guys it's like this, if u have a child would u rather provide him/her money for the rest of their life so they never have any problems in life or would u rather teach him how to make money and how to save and spend wisely? Self sufficiency is what is missing. How can they fend for themselves if we do all the thinking for them? Shit it's already free so make them work for it. Make them prove that they really want the answers.
AnonWell GS first of all let me say how amazingly complex this world is, the compounds, the combinations, the reactions . I never cease to be amazed at the knowledge many of you posses.
Id just ask you to consider though when comparing a child becoming self sufficient, we often spend 20 years getting them to that point.
Im sorry that you have seen some guys pass through who are disrespectfull unapreciative and unwilling to hear the truth. But please my point is we are not all that way. Some of us do indeed read and read and read the posts, some of us even when given the answers still go do our research.
If you start censoring the way information and advice comes out because you feel its too easy, then you limit the board, you limit some of the great contributions Ive seen and who knows, you may even limit the guys who are indeed trying to learn.
I really just dont think anyone can dispute the incredible knowledge that CDaddy and Zewi have,(just 2 examples) and I just think guys like that should not be limited in the way they dish out info, and when I see a post like Zewi made below I just cant help but think that will only take away from what makes this site great, or at least what has been so great for me.
C'mon man, why do you seem to be taking this so peersonally? ALL the info is already here. All ANYBODY has to do is do a minimal amount of work to seek it out. Theres really not much here that hasn't been discussed 100 times. Learn your basics through research and come to the board to tighten it up. Is that really such a tragedy?
Nobody is saying "stop giving Novi any information"
AnonHahaha ok I know and I dont feel entirely singled out.
There are a couple of points though. I am a newb, so in a sense this topic is directed at me and isnt a discussion only fair if both sides are presented.
When I see a topic like this I cant help but think there may be an underlying issue and you may not be recieving the thanks you truly deserve, so I just want to remind you that there are newbs like me who are grateful.
Lastly because as I said before some of the spoon fed info has still ended up contributing greatly to my learning curve.
If you want this place to be a place of learning as you say above then you have to be free with the info and the way it comes out. People learn in different ways, at different paces and are here for a multitude of reasons.
I know when I see something posted from you, its something worth reading.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkThank you! Not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp...
cdaddy7At what point do we stop helping?....my purpose has always been to help others and as far as my PCT advice is bc we have found a new better way for those to stop enduring the crash and burn...me, zewi, and GS spent a good effort of time and research to bringing that to light and finding it a success....simply to show the community a better way for a better landing....I agree that we may spoon feed these guys a little too much, but my reasoning is bc we were lazy ourselves and we learned by the crash and burn ourselves and I can tell u some of them were atrocious and don't wish on my worst enemy....my motives is to help others It's in my nature not to mention the career I chose is centered in care and helping others....I just don't want to send these young guys out into the rough, but I will admit that my desire to help can sometimes overrun the fact that they do need to research and that i will consider.....I understand the karma issue as well as I myself at times been fueled by such notion that it defined me, but It's not....I am defined my my commitment to helping these guys and bringing a new and better way for these guys and everyone in the community as we progress bc we all want longevity in this lifestyle and usually if we don't start right then we dont usually don't end well either unless we are taught or shown a better way....we all have unique talents and skills that make eroids what it is and i hope we never lose sight of that
We've had the conversation before brother. And I have stated many times that I agree that your info is on point but sometimes lacking in common sense when given out,especially when it turns into a dick bumping contest between who can throw down the hardest cycle.
I have nothing bad to say about your pct regiment but a simple link would suffice instead of dominating the thread with a full page. There are others who also have input.
And of course the ones getting spoonfed are going to disagree but rewards without the efforts is the hares way and the general consensus of eroids is that there is much greater success being the turtle
AnonYour generosity is overwhelming and it is truly obvious that the nature of your posts are nothing but altrouistic.
Its very hard to give out info that took years to gain, and often through tremendous struggle. Some times people just want others to struggle because they did.
I thank you for the gifts, I thank you for the lessons, again the one best word here is generous.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkHllwdbdby cmon bro you know the answers to your questions. This place used to be way different and me and you both know this. This place is now where 17 year olds that weigh 135 lbs find their first steroid cycle, bitch at great suppliers, and ruin aas from the inside out.
AnonHahah Im sorry my man, I just have to laugh when I guy who is 23 talks about how things used to be. I guess once again its all about perspective. My perspective in life is that at 23 you dont have enough time to start getting nostalgic.
Its an evolution bro, best to just roll and enjoy.
How things used to be as in THE SITE as a whole 48 WEEKS AGO. It was a lot different but you wouldn't know that because you've been here for 18 weeks. Now please tell me, WTF DOES ANYTHING YOU SAID HAVE TO DO WITH MY COMMENT?
AnonIm not really interested in any pissing match with you, you hold no interest for me. I thought it was kind of funny thats all, and now that you talk about a range of 48 weeks I find it even more humorous.
My advice still sticks, youre too young to be getting nostalgic about anything,especially a forum that has changed so much in 48 weeks , just face it as an evolution . Your wound too tight my man.
No one's nostalgic idiot. Stop blabbering.
AnonYou are a very funny in a strange puffed up way , for an adolescent that is ;)
AnonHold on a minute here.
First I am a newb and am here to learn, I am truly grateful for all the big brothers I have here.
Now that being said whats the deal with the attitude about "spoon feeding"?
Ok so a few cycles are laid out, I think thats a great thing, it really helps show you if you are missing anything. It still teaches us plenty, because when anything is different in the "spoon fed cycle" from what Im doing, I go look why.
I have heard time and time again that everyone is different,and thus we have tons of variations to the way things can and should be run.
Well dont forget, people often learn in different ways too, so what you see as spoon feeding, may in fact be a more effective way for one guy to learn.
I dont consider my self stupid, but man oh man sometimes I just dont "get it" and Im sorry but I need to be spoon fed.
Ive said this before and I'll continue, All you guys here that help us and keep us safe and healthy are not just afecting that one life at a time, you are working towards changing an entire culture, because through education comes success. It doesnt matter if that education comes one crumb at a time, or spoon fed.
Brother, the point being you guys are just running parroted info but still not understanding what you are doing. Sure its easier to follow a,b,c but you are missing out on some basic intangible fundamentals by doing the works and coming back for a polish. It's the ol' give a man a fish or teach him how to fish adage and it holds very true in the world of AAS.
This, like everything else is not a blanket statement but in general ppl are lazy and want to take shortcuts. Shortcuts in this lifestyle leads to failure
AnonI hear you, but just want to remind you of the end goal, and that is keeping people safe.
Hey what happens when some guy dies because they say he was abusing steroids ? They try to show people they are doing something about it and go make trouble. So yeah perhaps its info gained the easy way, but you never know when it might be just enough to bail a guy out.
Im not trying to be argumentative, I just wanted to bring up a perspective you may not have considered. I dont think you all fully understand the facets and depth you often have when helping someone out. Sometimes immediate, sometimes down the road, and sometimes more than you'll ever know.
Even if you dont let me fish, just by sitting in the boat watching you I will learn.
That is the point. Those that abuse aas do so out of ignorance. You shouldn't be relying on what dude said just because he has some karma and is well liked. YOU do the work to insure YOUR safety
AnonOk well I cant speak for everyone, but rest assured when I get advice (always gold) from you, zewi, cdaddy ,viking, goth, pappa ,tread, etc etc I go look up what I was told.
Not because Im questioning you guys, but because I just want to know.
A lot of times it just works that way for me. I see the answer first, and then I go research why.
Anyway Thanks for however the info comes my way.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnd we do do our best to give out info responsibly... Again this is NOT a blanket statement.
If dude posts a ridiculous cycle its NOT prudent to start throwing other cycles at him, he obviously doesnt have a basic understanding.
And not everyone is willing to research or even give proper stats. So if dude has 28%BF and says he has 12%, jumps on a cycle and his BP skyrockets, well if he actually did the research he may have found that info and recognized that lying may not be in his best interest.
Now if youve been here a minute and have proven you have a basic understanding that is one thing but Joe Noobie with 1pt and two weeks on the board, well yeah, common sense and responsibilty should take precident
I don't think this is implying 'no cycles' to be posted up. Say somebody says have a look at this cycle and they have missed off there ai, maybe instead of saying aromasim @ 12.5mg eod, say 'do some research into ai's and add this into your cycle'. That's the way I read this anyway.
AnonNot to drag Zewi in to this, but did you read his reply below ? If there is a difference between the way you and I percieve the point Hllywd was making, then its very likely others percieve it still another way.
Look the point is a forum in many ways regulates its self, by keeping afloat posts of great relevance, and letting those that dont matter sink. Then those that are really great get "stickies".
But if you start deciding the best way to force someone to learn, for what purpose a post is, and how easy you are making it, you may very well end up missing some of what have become the best posts on the board.
Zewi is a great cycle builder. He has my respect for the amount of time and energy that he puts into this forum. I hope that that this doesn't put people off giving advise but maybe, when a lot of the simpler stuff is in the stickies we shouldn't have to repeat advise that is easily found on the site through a lack of a bit of self educating. You make some good points though buddy
That is what H is talking about... the constant repeat business.
zewiPoint taken.. wont post any cycle info.. really why post anything at all there is enough information anyway. And your here to solve the issues.
...it would e nice if ppl would give more thought to replies and a simple guidance to the the search bar instead of having the attitude that "they're gonna do it anyway"...
The eroids of Yor didn't make it so easy for ppl harm or permanently hurt themselves.
im new here,wasnt sure what this place was all about, just overly excited to see ppl share the same interest as myself. I posted on the forms asking a stupid question as a newbe and ppl let me have it. I kinda then understood why I got so much backlash from it and then came to understand why. Just coming on here expecting to get all the answers really has no self worth, and by actually going through the forms, finding the information and then gathering more does WAY more then someone just saying do it this way to get this result, and I would like to thank all those on here that do promote finding the answer yourself but when the guildence is needed pointing the person in the right direction he or she needs to go is best, thanks for all the help.
Best way to learn bro. It's a "cruel to be kind" approach.
deff agree brother
Great post mate. Recently I've noticed we're getting slacker in general. Recently I noticed members dishing out proposed cycles to a new member, nobody picked up this lad was only 23 until there were already 3 cycles on the page. Aren't we doing this guy a disservice by nit telling him wait. Sure he may not like it, but we know its the right thing to do.
The best thing to do here is read. Not everyone wants to be told "go research", but you can't help everyone. Cut the spoon feeding down.
I agree.
Then the bandwagon gets rolling again with members calling out how other members know all. Giving points to their every comment that could have easily been found by the newb. To all newbs think long and hard before you decide to get into this game, cause its pretty hard to walk away from it once you get going. Alota guys say well, I'm just gonna do a cycle or two and guess what a lot of us guys that have been doing this a long time once said that same thing.
...and don't forget those that think they are just going to hit a cycle or two but end up fucking up there axis and BAM! premature TRT. Some won't even put 2+2 together and know that THAT is the issue
I know that the few guys who have been guiding me, have not spoon fed me... They have been helping me. But I do understand the concern for protocol, and guiding the perosn into learning. I never learned shit that was easy
AnonI agree completely...when I first got on here, i thought i had done plenty of research, which led me to believe i could start a tren cycle. I have always enjoyed learning about aas, but never considered the respect needed to properly cycle etc. Fast48 immediately called me out on my ignorance, which initially rubbed me the wrong way but once i dug into more of the forumsi realized i could have experienced some sides i had never dealt with. I still go to Fast 48 with tons of questions, but I do my own research within the site and lean on the vets for clarification and further direction. Unfortunately now I'm addicted to the site qhich has created the worst side effect...a pissed off wife...Fast48 didnt have the answer for that though. Deduction of Karma agreed
Lil butt chewing got you fully researching! I remember those days. LOL! All the vets here simply want you big n healthy. Glad youre here learning bro!