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Resulting from numerous posts asking about proviron's uses and general questions, i have created a short fact sheet below, which not only encompasses common knowledge, it also identifies the un-common rules associated with proviron.

Proviron roster:

1) What is Proviron?
2) Proviron's uses x4
3) Benefits of proviron use on cycle
4) Proviron and Deca
5) Proviron dosages
6) Conclusion
7) My experiences

Proviron is a DHT derivative used by AAS bodybuilders to reduce the aromatisation of testosterone and its derivatives. Thus, effectively there will be more free testosterone, which the human body uses to build muscle. Additionally it has been reported through AAS users to help amplify the effect of a cycle (since it increases the amount of free testosterone).

However, in order to substantiate my aforementioned point, proviron does help to release free testosterone, thus increasing overall free testosterone levels useful for bodybuilding. In addition, proviron also helps keep estrogen levels under control in the male body (which means it can be used to compliment your AI (whether it be asin, adex, caber, letro)) - but this compound cannot be used for PCT.

Bodybuilders use proviron for four main reasons outlined below:

1) As a result of proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. Therefore, due to the increased strength (in comparison to testosterone) in its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes, it prevents estrogen build-up.

2) As previously mentioned, proviron increases the amount of free testosterone in the male human body. This is a very important point to consider, since approximately ~98% of testosterone is bound to the sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus, since it is bound to the SHBG it is not free testosterone any more and therefore cannot be used to build muscle.

3) As a DHT derivative, proviron contributes towards a feeling of 'well being' (commonly referred to as anabolic well-being) in males, thus it has been used to treat depression in men in the past. Additionally, bodybuilders use it to 'dry up' for competitions, however Masteron is the preferred choice and considered as a better option (proviron has been named as an oral masteron - this topic is debateable). The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, thus decreasing water retention.

4) Proviron is frequently used with compounds such as deca - as it adds an androgenic component to the cycle. Thus preventing a loss in male libido and impotence and helps a males sex-drive upto a certain point. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone (and compounds like prop, tne, suspension) which are very useful since it's a natural sexual hormone.

A dosage of 25mg ED is considered to be an effective dosage for proviron.

To finalise supplementation of 25mg proviron a day during 19-nor-progesterone cycle will help to aid and (i use this word with caution) amplify the effects of that particular cycle, since there is in increase in free testosterone, which is what the human body utilises to build muscle.

I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Thanks for reading,
Brutha-P

References: (http://www.ehow.co.uk/about_5495558_proviron-side-effects.html)
Disclaimer: This post has been written 100% by myself P. If you feel i have breached copyright infringements I would like to see proof.

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I see where you're coming from MUPPET, but remember that Aromasin and Proviron are two different compounds. Aromasin is labelled under the AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) category and Proviron is a Steroid.

Proviron is incapable of forming estrogen, whereby its binding ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes prevents estrogen build-up. Therefore, it does have anti-estrogen properties, but it's ineffective to run as an AI.

Proviron on its own is not a complicated compound; it does bind very well to your SHBG, thus inhibiting your SHBG, therefor increasing your 'free testosterone' levels in your blood serum. Proviron has no suppressing effects on normal serum FSH and LH levels so in theory if your natural hormonal levels are suppressed it may even be able to raise LH which can then raise your natural t levels, but I wouldn't recommend using it for this.

Proviron does not help bring your natural testosterone levels up, it disguises the symptoms of low test (by binding to your SHBG). Aromasin actually brings your test levels up.

Suppressive not in the slightest...synergistic yes

P's picture

Haha, there's lots more knowledge to be learnt!

On any cycle, it's important to have an AI...(http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/fool-proof-guide-...)

This is a simple idiot proof guide to have has a tick off sheet before we start any cycle.

1 Set a start date for cycle to begin.

2 Order your pins and sterile wipes.

3 Order all your ancillaries and pct items.

4 order all your oils making sure you have more than you need.

5 orders must be placed well before cycle start date just in case your src lets you down and you have to re/order.

6 Do not start cycle if any one of these steps is incomplete.

Notice i have ordererd everything else before the oil if these things are not in place your cycle will fail.

Remember guys FAILURE TO PLAN IS A PLAN TO FAIL.

...and yep, always have an AI to prevent sides.

Gear, AI and PCT are vital for any cycle, and Proviron is an optional extra.

Get an AI a.s.a.p. - PM me!

P's picture

Secondly, you've got me worried now.

I've read the comments on your cycle layout and it appears that you didn't listen to the veteran members offering advice, SMH.

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Accepted.

MAC's picture

Wow thank you so much. I've always been curious about Proviron and now I have everything I really needed to know about it. I kind of knew what it was and what it did by I was looking for someone's personal opinion on it. Thanks bro +1

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Cheap Proviron - buffout.net I received the order and it was on time and the pills work great.

lion260's picture

Great write up on proviron. I used proviron a few years ago as I have great size but had issues with holding to much water bloat to higher estro levels. Greatly reduced my estro levels and water bloat. I know a few other guys that used it as well while on HIGH doses of test (which you would think they would be walking water beds) and they were absolutely shredded due to using the proviron with a great amount of muscle gain. It could be possible that in the second study you did with the proviron showing less gain could be to less water retention total within the body. You would have to do specific tests to show the amount of water within the system. Just a thought. =) But in turn... Am a believer to the benefits of proviron use!

gsleepy's picture

I've said it before and i will say it again This is how you gain Karma! Smile +1 P

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Colossus_fit's picture

+1 bro ..I used proviron 50mg / day, look hard and dry.. but mostly my girlfriend was happy =)

jpal's picture

THanks bro have some prov and was thinking of running for my cycle and now i will be +

A50's picture

I always run it with my cycles as suggested by a reputable friend. I feel better..look better and my sex drive is always high 75-100mg daily is what I use.

Br10 ASP's picture

Such an interesting post, I really love provi, but this post does not discover me anything "new" but it is indeed really really useful, I would recommend another post some months ago, Nitty, other forum guys and me posted there some really good info about provi "benefits"

P's picture

I did some background reading with nitti's post before bro - some great info on there too.

My idea with this post is to have a simple factsheet where most of the important info on proviron could be accessed easily, and peoples experiences would follow in the comments section.

I have edited this post and added my experiences to the factsheet to make all the information available in one forum topic

swetterfish's picture

yes

Roid Noid's picture

you guys want this stickied? 5 yes's gets it

gsleepy's picture

A little late but I Fifth the motion, which was previously carried.

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homebrewed's picture

Here is my yes.

Roid Noid's picture

alright 4 will do

P's picture

YES YES YES YES YES ;)

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I thank all you guys commenting on this proviron topic - and you may be asking yourself, why did i chose to write this...karma? Well...it would be good in encouraging me to continue to write posts and learn more to share my knowledge base, but also to gain opinions.

We have the simple facts (as above), but personal experiences are where it's at.

I came across proviron 2 years ago, where a friend had no clue what to do with it let alone what it was for, so he kindly gave me his proviron free of charge - and, i suppose, as a thank you, i decided to write this post (as above), so that if he were ever in a situation where he once again had proviron, he would know when, how and at what dosages to use it at.

So i proceeded with a little self experiment (not particularly scientifically controlled), i chose to do two AAS cycles, very simple ones, however, one had proviron in, and the other didn't.

The cycles are as followes:

Cycle #1 (Without proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Cycle #2 (With proviron)
Week 1-12 = Test E/500mg per week/2 pins per week of 250mg
Week 1-12 = Proviron/25mg ED
Week 3-14 = Aromisin/12.5mg EOD
PCT 15 days after last Test E injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

The controlled factors are as followes:

+) Diet was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 - same meal sizes, portions, macro-nutrient breakdowns and mealtimes.
+) Training was logged throughout Cycle #1 and mirrored into Cycle #2 (however, an overall increase of ~5% resulting from the first cycle was carried forward).
+) Training time was consistent, same with intensity - I had the same job, so this control was relatively easy to adhere towards.
+) BF% monitored constantly throughout both cycles - BF% remained the same, with a +/- 1% when on cycle due to a tiny bit of bloat

Findings

I too, like GS took my asin in the morning with grapefruit juice and peanut butter, and after a week i found myself to be extremely drowsy and de-motivated in comparison to my 'normal' self. So, i did some reading, and found that free estrogen levels peak towards the end of the night, thus, i began takin the asin pre-bed.

Now, my findings as far as the proviron goes - well, libido wise i was flying high on Cycle #1, but with the inclusion of proviron in Cycle #2 made me want to penetrate anything and everything! In my opinion, the dosage i took was conservative, and although it's is hard to quantify, my 'hornyness' rose ~7-10%. Now we conclude...

Conclusion

My gains post PCT with Cycle #1 were 11.5 lbs, and in Cycle #2 were 11lbs.
Now, this has got me thinking. There are many factors which could have played part in here. In my opinion, post Cycles #1 and #2 revealed good gains, but the gains in Cycle #2 dropped slightly - this could be to do with my body being increasingly responsive towards external test sources among many other factors.

Although my conclusion is brief, i do believe proviron is an important factor in ones cycle, simply because the hornyness (feeling of anabolic well-being) was greatly appreciated by myself, through increases in free testosterone, but also in aggression and motivation in the gym

Hope this helps,
P

HllwdBdBoy's picture

Now was that so hard my man! Experience rules here!

Clean up on aisle 6. Meant to bump him up but missed (new phone) LoL

Trenabolic's picture

Now this is what I'm talking about, nice bro.

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

X2 bro... this is exactly what i was asking for from the post i placed in general earlier!... Self experience wins every single f-ing time... a well deserved +3 from yours truly

P's picture

Thanks big Vike!

bawler's picture

wether u wrote it or not, i just learned something Smile
thanks P

Nitti's picture

I'm a fan of proviron. But in my experience with it, it's NOT a good replacement for an AI as some seem to think. It is used to make testosterone more effective which I believe it does. It's also used to prevent estro from building up as you have stated but in my own experience ,if you don't follow the protocol for an aromatise inhibitor along side the provi , you're setting yourself up for estrogen rebound. In the middle of my last cycle, I introduced proviron. It seemed to kick things up a notch (not a scientific analysis but that pretty much describes it). My libido got much more intense. My strength and endurance seemed to be raised. I felt a lot more of that Dbol euphoria that high doses of test can give. It definitely amplified my cycle. I did not use an AI. At the end of my run, about a week after stopping completely ,I had to stop everything abruptly and was unable to run pct for medical reasons. I developed horrible Gyno (which I'm not prone to), my emotions were out of control. I would cry if I saw a feed the children commercial. Now I've run cycles in the past with no AI and hadn't had these problems. I don't have the labs to back it up but all evidence points to estrogen rebound. I had to run letro to kill the estro effects and reverse the gyno. So my point is, although proviron is a great addition to a cycle, do not make the mistake of thinking its a good replacement for an AI because of its anti-e properties. Follow the protocol and enjoy the ride. Provi is hands down the best compound for sex and it makes your testosterone more efficient! I realize that none of this was the point in your post but it is my experience and in talking with some guys about it they think it can be a replacement for an AI!

Carlos Danger's picture

Glad u got it turned around. Tell me ur going to use an AI this time around?

Nitti's picture

I already incorporated it bro. Wit big Treads help I messed around with dosing of aromasin. He told he he just prefers it to arimadex so I went with that. After some tweaking I found that I can only take it before bed because ur makes me sleepy and I take 12.5 e3d. If I feel any signs of elevated estro I bump it to every other day. You told me a long time ago to run it and I didn't listen. I made that post on possibly using nolva at low doses instead. Remember? Bad money! Lol

Carlos Danger's picture

I remember bro:-) I honestly have never felt sleepy on Aro. Maybe I've just never paid attention. I'll try n pay attention to how I feel after I take it.